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i just fell through last nite, but i'm trying to ignore it and think about all the times when i don't fall through which is almosst always.


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One step at a time. Many steps have been taken forward, one step back, now you have to take more steps forward! You're getting there. One step at a time! Go for it! Good luck for sticking with your goal.


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"A technical question: If someone erases the history, would the other person know that it was erased? If so, he can then confront him and ask him why he erased the history. This could serve as an incentive."

YOU CAN PICK & CHOOSE WHAT YOU WANT TO DELETE FROM THE HISTORY SO NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO KNOW.


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Thank you for your answer. It's interesting to know that.

Last week's Mishpacha magazine had a long article about the internet issue. Two or three companies advertised programs for filtering, and for keeping track of the history.
 
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gad, I need help, I read the forum rom beging to end, Im very confused as well as hurting i need a way to contact u in a private way,
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On the top right corner of each post, there is a light bulb, and next to it a lock. When you click the lock on my post, it allows you to send me a private message.
 
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thanks i figured that out and i sent u
 
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On the top left of the page, (right below the "frum support" logo), there is a lock. When you don't have messages, it says so. When you have a new private message, it says so, and the lock blinks.
 
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i dont know where to start in an anonymous way does any one have a solid idea?
 
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dont say your name
do u think people will know who u r?
 
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what exactly do u mean? i want to get help but iam to embarrased i want to to it anonymously yes im scared people will know me
 
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hi, i'm a dude who posted on this thread. i think that you should start saying things about your addiction, how you feel, how you are dealing with it, whatever. i don't know you so i can't tell you what to talk about, only you know that. and tons of people go through the exact same things, almost, so chances are nobody will recognize you.

it helps when you express your most secret feelings and people give you support and encouragement. it's scary, because it just is. i know. but it's worth it.

you can private message me if you like. whatever you decide to do, hatzlacha!

and keep on fighting because i went though this addiction, i got help even though i was petrified of it, and now i am so much more in control of my life that i am amazed when i look back.


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Shtarkebachur, this sounds wonderful. I can see you hve come a long way, and I personally am very proud of you!!!

Isn't it an awesome feeling when you can reach out and help someone who has been where you were?

How are things going in general? I'm sure its still a challenge, but it sounds like you're doing WAAAAY better!!

Yashar Koach!


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ringeddavid; i meant to say that if u are careful not to give away ur name probably nobody will know who u are from ur situation (i dont know ur situation but if ur posting here i can guess like shtarke said tons of ppl go through the exact same things, so BIG chances nobody will recognize you.
and then again even if some1 does recognize u, which shouldn't happen, its not THAT bad the people here wont do nething to u (i know me rs4 sure not) we understand you and we really really want to help you, because we (at least i) know how hard it can be, and even if we wont be able to tell u anything that really helps, just by talking to some1 helps, i know that from personal experiance, (and actually i think sometimes it is better if u DO get to know the person u r talking not just anonymous, but i guess this depends on the situation and the ppl involved).
you can pm ne1
and again what shtarke said whatever u decide to do sont give up and hatzlacha.

su7kids; shtarke is the best, i dont know how he was in the past but now he's super duper, i dont know how u know him but if u r personally proud of him than i think i should inform u, that u dont know how much he helped me, and shtarke here is my oppertunity to publicly thank u from the depth of my heart. THANKS YASHER KOACH and hatzlacha
 
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thanks for asking, Kids. i improved tons, not that i am where i want to be, very far from it.

However, i have become a lot more patient with myself. I never used to have any patience to wait , i wanted to change NOW, because i thought i am terrrible if i don't. Now, i feel a lot more that i am ok the way i am.

but i still have tremendous anxiety about anything i do. it doesn't affect me the way it used to, though. i can calm myself down pretty fast.

i was just in Israel for two weeks. i felt so close to hashem when i davened there like i was speaking straight to him. i can't really explain how, but i grew more in those two weeks than i have in the past two months. but maybe it was just the natural sequence of things, that after all the work i did on myself, i would be able to use the opportunity for growth.

maybe it was the fact that i was away from my family and all the negative patterns it evokes in me. maybe it was my davening. i cried tons while i was davening there. when i left israel, i went to the kosel one last time and i talked to hashem for like an hour and cried almost non-stop. it was like i finally had the father i always needed. i'm blushing as i write this because it's so private, but who cares. i know you will understand.

i still suffer a lot, though not as intensely as i used to. now i feel more... i can't think of the right word to explain it. but whatever it is it makes me more patient, calm, trusting, open, warm, and disciplined.

pornography used to be a challenge for me, but now it's so easy for me to resist, it's almost as easy as not eating pork.

i loved being in israel so much, that i wanted to go back. but i was scared to even ask my mother, i was worried how she would react, or maybe she'd send me n d then she'd go broke and it will be my fault. i told myself that what she decides to do is not my responsibnility, but i still was not confident enough in that thought. then i discussed it with my therapist, and i told him how i feel. he encouraged me to try. then when we ended our session, he said, let's meet next week? and i said, half-jokingly, if i'm not in israel. he looked at me seriously and said, i hope you will be.

at that moment i suddenly realized that maybe i will! i got the courage to ask mom, and she said yes!

so i am going to israel! one thing that i davened for before i left, at the kosel, was that i should be able to come back to israel right away. i thought it would take a miracle, and it was not something i really believed would happen, so i asked hashem to make a miracle for me. i thought it wouldn't happen, but it did!

i am still scared that something will go wrong, and i won't be able to go. so i am afraid to get excited. it's like too good to be true. i'm afraid mom will change her mind, like something will come up, and then i will be disappointed. i keep davening that it should work out. it seems that hashem was listening and answered me. so my davening helps.

one more thing: my doctor says i may have an ulcer. i guess we know where that comes from, huh? whatever. i'm just not thinking about it. whatever happens, happens. so as i discussed this with my therapist, we decided that i should definitely go to israel right away, since my family is so stressful for me.

so that's what's up.


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Shtark, it is amazing. I am so glad you connected in Israel. I am almost sure your mother wants the very best for you, and being in Israel is further away from the ta'avos of Galus. I think you can rise in your Kedusha there, and while we'd love to keep hearing from you, maybe you can NOT have a computer there, and just use an internet cafe or something to connect, and then at least THAT will be one pull you won't have.

I think the growth I have seen from you since we have been posting on this board (teen, this is the only place I know Shtark from) has been AMAZING. You came on so hopeless and helpless and confused, and you should like you've worked things well with your therapist, and opened yourself up for receiving input and tried until it has worked for you. AMAZING.

I am so proud of you, I feel like I'm your mom and you're one of my kids, my heart is swelling with pride!!!! I know how hard it is to ask for help, and then to listen and try and make it work is awesome.

Yashar Koach.


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hey shtarke i am very happy 4 u, i really hope it works out, but then again we sure will miss u here we'd love to keep hearing from u. so try to keep in touch.
 
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actually i will try to buy a laptop b4 i leave, but if not, i will probably not go into an internt cafe because i don't want o be seen there, people might think...

and i don't worry that having a computer will be a "pull" for me. it will only help me.

su7, thank you so much! i still want to read over your letter, it was so sweet.

teen, thank you so much for voicing your appreciation. i feel so good to hear you say that.


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WOW theres a lot here and its interesting to digest. Its like an outside walking in to the middle of a play even after i read all the threads.

I dont want any one whats so ever to thimk for a second that i am being critical, on the contrary I am saying this so that I can get a better picture of whats going on and how to be able to help myself and share things with you. True I am much earlier in the process that the others of this forum i just joined yetsterday, but the sense I am feeling is; Shtarker you are young, what you crave is more of a connection with someone which is normal and healty. [again i'm not condoning or being critical i just want to voice my thoughts and see what everyone feels about them please forgive me if i hurt anyones feelings, iwouldnt want people to talkt about me this way but as mature adults we can see the pont.] As I've read you were trying to work things out with your Mom, which i happy for you that you did,
Su7kids you seem to have developed something that provided him with this "care & feelings" which was good for him and B"H it seemed to have help him alot.

I unfortunately am a liitle older than 19. I'm 24- 26 I've struggled and fought this for many years, not to put anyone down G-d forbid but how can I relate something to myself from someone thats going through something I went through 5 - 7 yrs ago, I've been through that stage and fell to my Yetzer cuz i was missing love and care, but how will that help me now, as i write this a pit grows in my stomach, i judt feel sick about my self, when i was your age i did these things and i looked at others that did it and i thought to myself what a shame these boys, yet i told myself i was different,i wasnt a sick kid i had a yetzer that i was fighting.

now look at me, who's the sad one now? im not looking for sympathy dont get me wrong, im just venting at myself hoping someone can put a better spin on it for me so i could look at it a different way.

Sharker go to Eretz yisroel and learn well dont get a comp. and go to the kotel as often as possible i went for 40 day straight for something and hashem blessed me.

thanks everyone for your ers/eyes let me know your thoughs


 
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ringeddavid; we dont know what ur situation is but everybody can be helped with hashems help, its never ever too late.
 
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Ringed, I am "just" a mommy, and tend to see the positive in all situations. I am here as a support, and if it helps, great, if not, just skip my posts.

I think that the addiction is not a great thing, and I don't think that it matters how long you've done it, what's more important is that you have decided you want to do something constructive about it. I believe, in the 12 step programs, they say if you can't admit you have a problem, you have no chance of changing it.

I'm assuming this is an action you find change-worthy, and can only say that you will find a tremendous amount of encouragement and support here.

Just because one person decided at 19 to "kick the habit" doesn't mean that you are WORSE because you are older. I believe you CAN learn from even a 19 year old, and even from someone who has never HAD the addiction, or any addictive behaviors but tries to understand and empathize with them, IF, AND ONLY IF, you are willing.

The minute you say to yourself "I don't like this behavior, i want to change it" there is hope.

You can start with rewarding yourself for every 5 minutes that you get through controlling your urges, and eventually it becomes easier.

I'm sure you've delved into WHY you have these empty feelings, etc, and that is something you can do with a therapist, if you have one.

But one thing I can assure you, you'll get encouragement and "cheers" when you share your successes, no matter HOW small.

I wish you hatzlocha Raba.


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so r u going to tell us whats up?
 
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i only read the first line and i see you are on the defense please please please dont take what i said that way, i didnt mean to neg in any way please read mtt post well and see what it says. I AM INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY!! i just want to understand more so i can help myself now i will read the rest of what u wrote
 
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ur talking to su7kids right?
 
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i only read the first line and i see you are on the defense please please please dont take what i said that way, i didnt mean to neg in any way please read mtt post well and see what it says. I AM INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY!! i just want to understand more so i can help myself now i will read the rest of what u wrote




I don't know who you were addressing. It doesn't make sense that it was my post. I hope I am helpful. If not.. not!


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k i'm hesitating cuz im so embarassed but i am gonna do this cuz i need to. i dont know where to start its not so much about porn its more about the pleasure i dont know if you can call it a s___ problem or not
i dont have a therapist and i can risk going to one but i want to help myself, it really hurts to write this and if only you people knw the pain i am feeling as i right these word, i am married and have a beautiful child and bezraz hashem one one the way soon. my problem started years ago withporn and has manifesterd itselfin may ways
 
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i use this program k9 web protect on my comp and laptop i convinced my wife without her understanding why for both of us to enter part of the pass wordand not tell each other sothis has helped me in the house, and work. but when i get really down i turnto other places which make it worse sometimes
 
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Ringeddavid, in my humble opinion, you need to focus more on your successes, and see what is working for you. The password thing on the k9 is a brilliant idea.

Please don't be embarrassed here. We're all pretty much anonymous. I appreciate your willingness to share, because I think that for you this is a MAJOR step and you need to endorse yourself for that. Be proud of reaching out.

Every small step forward is better than a step backwards, and I do believe there will be backwards steps, but you'll KNOW you've gone forward before, so it will get easier each time.


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ok i understand ( that it is hard for you to write, but go on (you dont have to tell us but if u want to hear what we have to say u got to tell us).
what is exactly is ur problem then? does it affect ur family?
 
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Thats what Mesilat Yesharim says about when a person sins. He must focus on the times when he passes so that he get strength to win more often, and even when he fights and looses those are engry builders for the future so that he can win. I believe it with all my heart but I dont think ever once that i lived that I try to be positive but the things ive done really hurts bad i dont know where or how to turn some times. The scariest part is i live a very healthy life and aside from this a im a very good jew which hurts it all the more
 
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KIvinulo, i have a problem that whenever something s___L come up and i am in a positon where i can loose my self there is a big chance i go after it. it can be driving ona comp ect i dont knoww aht you looking for exactly can you ask more specific
 
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a relative of mine got hooked up with another persons wife through the internet r"l
 
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Kivunolu, why is it so important that ringeddavid be specific about his problem? I think that he knows what his problem is and he knows where the work has to be done, and if he has specific concerns, he can ask for support and encouragement, but he doesn't have to tell us the details -- in my opinion.

Ringeddavid, I think you have found a safe place to turn to, being this anonymous website, if we can help, great.


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su7kids; he does not have to tell us anything, but uf he wants me or nebody else to tell him my opinion then i have to know his problem, the more i know the more i can say.
and if his problem affects other people or if its really serious then he SHOULD get serious help.
 
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so where do i start? within myself, i heard reference to this 12 step prog but i dont knowhat it is, as well i dont want to see a therapist i cant risk it for my fam, B"H my fam has not been effected. i am a sensitive person and my wife is the first person in my life kimat always before my self, i treat her and honor her withthte utmost respect, which make it hurt even more. i remember the fist time i fell after i was married it was a while after, i was shaking uncontrolably, i was so scared and petrified what i did to my self how i could to that that is probably the worst feeling i ever had in my life
 
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if you guys want to or need to go please let me know, i will stay here as long as u guy are here eventhough its late but if you guys will go just let me know so i dont wait around for a reply that wont come, but it really feels good to talk to you even though i am nauseas that i am talking about my self, to give u a better picture. i learn everyday till 12:30 then i go to work i have a very successful business that I thank hashem for everyday. i do a lot of mitzvos especially chesed, i support 2 kolel yungliet and i read tehilim every month for the past 7 yrs as well as shnayim mikrah for the past 4 never missing a week. i work with down syndrm kids for 5 years b4 i got married i do a lot of good. I jusr have this sickness that I cant get a grip on
 
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ok so now i understand what's goin on u have a prob. with z"l, ok so u r not worse than most people (myself included), the shach says that one person out of 1,000 is saved from this sin. im not saying its nothing its a big aveirah im just saying its common.
the first thing is never ever lose hope no matter what, because thats the truth.
the kav hayasher perek 68 in the name of the ari hakodosh says there is 2 klipos responsible for causing people to do this sin, machlis (i think) and lilis, with the zechus of simcha shel mitzvah a person is mevatel the klipah of machlis, and aveilos shel mitvah a person is mevatel the klipah of lilus, i have a lot more to say but i got 2 go, so meanwhile hang on, and dont lose hope.


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Ringeddavid, is this a "daily" occurrence that you have the problem, or is it less often that that?

It sounds like there is a lot of wonderful things going on in your life. I can see why you would see this as a major challenge, but if you remember that the positive far outweighs the negative, that may help you to at least feel better about yourself.

Im in CA, and its getting late here, too. Maybe we can pick this up again after Shabbos.

A gut shabbos.


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Thnaks to both of you,
su7 this is not a daily prob, it usually is once a week or twice. i gauge myself by weeks did i have a good week or not i usually tally up when im saying kabollos shabbos, as i say boei vesholom i think was i successful this week and i beg Hashem to bless me with chizuk for a better week to come.

have a good shaboos to all
 
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i am going to post soon with hashems help


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i think only once a week is great.
the chovos halvovois shar hatshuvah perek 10 says sometimes the reason a person does not do teshuva is because he thinks he wont be able to fix all the bad that he did, but a person should not think that way because if hashem sees a person wants to do teshuvah with his whole heart he should do what he can and hashem will do the rest.
the yismach moshe in the hakdamah chelek 3 says that to hold back from this sin bimsiras nefesh is the biggest tikun.
it is rosh chodesh today we say in musaf roshei chadoshim le'amcha nusatuh zeman kaparah... -that it is a time of forgiving, is'shuas nafshom miyad sonei, and a time to redeem them from the yetzer horah, so now is a good time to start again.

now a few suggestions.
(you can skip the question if you want i want to get to the answer,
the rambam (perek 12 hilchos sanhedrin) writes, in order for bes-din to be able to prorsecute somebody who sinned the person has to have hasra'ah - he has to be told he is sinning and warned that he will be punished, and he says that the din of a am haarets and a talmd chochom are equal both need hasra'ah, the rambam states the reason for the hasrah is so that we should know that the person is a meizid - sinning even though he knows its a sin, the commentaries on the rambam ask that according to the gemarh in sanhedrin if the reason is to know that u r a meizid than a talmid chochom does not need hasra'ah because he knows that it is a sin so it seems like there is a contridiction in his words.

answer;
the siduro shel shabos (shoresh 6) explains the rambam quoting the gemarah (sukah 52a) the yetzer horah leaves the imos hu'olam (-goyim) and focuses on the yidden, and abayeh adds that he focuses on talmiday chachamim more than anyone, and he quotes the halacha that after hasra'ah if there was a hafsakah more than a half a minute, until the person sinned, the hasra'ah is invalid, because maybe he forgot, and r' chaim explains that even though a person does not forget a such a small time, the yetzer horah makes the person forget - a talmid chochom more than anyone that is why a talmid chochom also needs hasra'ah even though he knows but the yetzer horah makes him forget.
this is what he writes in short, i advise you to learn it inside the siduroi shel shabos.
so what i did i made a list 69 things that happen from this sin that chazal say, (i took it from the sefer teharos hakodesh i mentioned above), and i keep it handy whenever i want to do i look it over, to make sure the yetzer horah does not make me forget. u can pm me i can send u the list if u want.

now a question
does this happen when ur wife is a nidah or just anytime.
the ravad in sefer baalei hanefesh (the last shaar) says that one of the kavanos in the mitzvah of pri irvu if a person canot stop himself from sining he should do it in a way that is allowed (i cant express everything clearly i hope u understand what i mean if not u can look inside).
okay i didnt try this one but maybe u should explain ur problem to ur wife with the ravids eitzah i dont know what a wife would react to this thats y im afraid, maybe su7kids can help us out there.
and the last thing i am saying now but not least t'filah with tears is a big tikun and helps, it says so in alot of seforim, (one of them kav hayashor i mentioned above beshem the ari).
and i also wanted to say; as much as you are helping yourself you are helping others (myself included) the posik says "ki tovim hashnayim min hu'echad" - two are better than one.
hatzlachah and s"d and with time we should all be zoche to tshuvah sheleimeh.
 
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Kivunulo, i'm not sure what you mean by how a wife would react. If you mean by being understanding, its hard to predict, each person is different. If its something different, I'm not sure I understand waht you're saying.


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Agut voch to u guys,
firstly I got a number to a person that i can speak with anonyamously over the phone. altough not a "Dr." he's an expert in this feild and a close friend to R' Twesky, i got his number from the admin of this forum. i spoke with him on friday and i pretty much told him everyhting about my self concerning this problem. it felt good to get it off my chest but i know there is a lot of effort from myself to be done before any "back patting" happens.

kivunulo, although everything in this world is a physical out play of it spiritual side, and i believe thats true. i have spent so much time with seforim and self introspection and musar and so on, yet i still fall, my mind shuts off and there is no awakening till i sin. i can be telling myself as i get into it, that im doing wrong and if i dont stop i will end up sinning, yet i just loose control and end up sinning.

i dont know exactly what u mean by something mutur while my wife is a nidah if you cant write it pm it to me.
as well as i would never tell anything to my wife, B"H other than this problem that i have we have a healthy and happy marriage and she doesnt deserve to have it ruined, not even a chance. id never do it to her.

let me know thanks to u both
 
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a gut vich
thanks su7kids.
ringeddavud; u deserve back patting for what u have done till now it probably was very hard for you to talk to somebody about it over the phone even anonymously (i dont know if i would do it, maybe i need to think about it).
ok so if musar doesnt help you then daven (but i do think that it helps somewhat).
i hope you get the help you need from whoever you are talking with
and again HATZLACHA!
 
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does anyone have inovative idea's that can help?
 
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hey shtarker i see yur here, anything on yur mind that can help
 
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see the hard part about this process for me is that i feel that i've been through all the think that i can do to stop i really tried i've been through all the guilty stages, i dont know what to do. in the back of my mind im scared that i wont be able to get help cuz what can someone else tell me that i didnt come across or think of? now i knoow thats being narrow minded and imature but its a fear that i have, no haaving any concrete proof.
let me know what u all think
 
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ringeddavid, I am wondering if you've ever thought about what your motivation for change would be?

Do you think there's a risk of losing your family over it?

What other motivation could you have?

Maybe once you've found the motivation, you can work on real goals to make it happen.


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i think i understand that feeling. i used to feel like, i cried already a lot of times, i promised i won't do it again, but all this did not mean anything. a day later i went right back to it.

little by little, i began to think i must be missing the point somehow. there is something i need to learn in order to stop. something i cannot figure out. i decided i must go to therapy, or i'll never get anywhere. i need someone to show me what i need to do.

i'm glad i went to therapy, because i really did learn a lot about what was pushing me to do this aveira. i learned these things without even discussing the actual addiction with my therapist.


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you can't imagine what someone with experience and the right skills can tell you about yourself. i mean that. you can't imagine. you have to see for yourself. i know this from myself. he can show you, that what you thought was the problem, was really not. he can show you things about yourself, that you would never believe.

this can get scary. it's your choice. you are the only one who can choose whether you'd rather keep going deeper into this dark pit. or you can choose to face yourself, by letting somebody show you who you are. yeah it's scary.

for me it was scarier to continue being controlled by a computer screen. it was scarier for me to think that i will live a lie, and never have an honest relationship with my wife, and having my marriage end in divorce and disgrace. i was much more terrified of ending up a practically insane person, who cannot stop himself from destroying his life and all his closest relationships. there are more things i was scared of. i'll tell you about them if you want to hear.

what's scarier for you?


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Edited: 10/14/07 at 3:25 AM by shtarkebachur
 
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