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Ringed, you're awesome. Imagine dreaming a victory? That means your subconscious is getting the message!!!!!!

Victories are like mitzvos, they are never lost. You can't "nullify them" by doing aveiros, so if you do slip, you will STILL have those victories in your storage. and they will remind you that they are there, the moment you tap into them.

This is not a game of shoots and ladders, its the game of LIFE!


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Originally posted by: ringeddavid I'm not scared of the fall if G-D FORBID I fall, I'm scared of what will happen after."


This can be a very good thing.


It says that a baal teshuva comes so close to G-d, that "where a Baal Teshuva stands, even a Tazadik can't stand." And one explanation is, because he wants so badly to get away from his past, that he uses tremendous energy to get away from the bad and to come closer to G-d.

So being scared of what can happen etc., can provide a person with tremendous energy to get away from what he doesn't want, and to come so much closer to Hashem.

Also it says that zedonos naseh kizochios. That the sins become like merits. And the explanation is similiar to the above. That since the sins are motivating the person to come so very close to Hashem, therefore the sins cause tremendous good, and they become elevated and become like merits.



 
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HI Su7, thanks for the confidence. I know you're right and im working on living it but to be honest i dont feel that way. These Merits can only be real if they stand TRUE and not if I fall again I dont know why I feel this way I just do maybe, some of oyu can give me some ideas on how to work on this also. All I can to is try to change it but I don't have any specific way or direction how to.

Gad, Good to hear from you, you provided a lot f support earlier on and I appreciate it alot.

true, that this provides energy for further correction of oneself, but if one is not clear headed he is doomed . there is no way he will succeed in that. How do you deal with this aspect?

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Hi, I've been reading along, so hope its okay to interject,

First of all Rngdvd I give u great credit for facing these issues head on. Many ppl choose to bury their heads in the sand.
I believe that the most important step to any change, is to "want" that change. It seems as though u have done that. You have have passed the most difficult challenge of WANTING to do something different. The rest will follow.
With great admiration, I see You are doing all the right things.
Distracting yourself is a DBT skill, and a very helpful one too.

I am addicted to self injury, and I can't stop for the simple reason that I have no desire to. I got used to the adrenalin high, and I'm not ready it give that up.
The minute I "want" to, I believe I can start the process.

Your struggle is not an easy one, and i believe too that we r here on this earth for a reason. Hashem gave us these challenges, so that we will grow, and succeed.
I dont want to preach, when u r feeling so much pain, so I will end here.
Just wanted to add, that u r in no way doomed. On the contrary, u r on the road to recovery!

all the best.
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Hi Debbi welcome back,

I believe you posted on this forum in the begining. You where having trouble with your husband's addiction. If you dont mind me asking, and I apoligize in advance if I hurt you or open old wounds but What ever happened with that? Maybe whatever happend can help me or others reading this forum.

The truth is I never heard of SI tillI saw it on the list of addictions on this site. I don't understand it so I can't comment on it to you because I don't have the slightest idea of what you're going through.

The question I pose to you is; We always want to do whats right and if we do wrong we always want to change for the better, so I dont really understand what is this "wanting" you are refering to. Deep down you know yu are doing something wrong and your neshama wants to change that, so as much as we stiffle that voice it still is there telling us whats right.
 
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Debbi, after I wrote the last post I went back and reread all the post from the time that you where posting, How are you? I didnt mean to sound so coarse I only remembered your name and vaugly your story. I'm sorry I was unsensitive. You deserve alot of respect and credit forgoing through what you have and still carry on with life. Elef alfie havdalos like the people from the war, you can never question them and they will go straight to Heven right next to Hashem just for living life. You as well you lived through something horrible you deserve much respect and credit.

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Thank u for all the nice words, u r very kind.
I need to clarify for a moment. My husband has never had any kind of addiction. He is a loving supportive man, who suffers greatly because of my suffering.
I used to post as Bubbles when I first started here. My story is unfortunately long.

This "wanting" is indeed a step.
I know from my own experience and also from reading alot.
Talking rather from my own experience, throuought my healing journey from Sxual abuse, there have been times when I have been stuck in my own resistance. (and still am today)
In other words, there have been many instances when I haven't "wanted" to feel better, or when i haven't "wanted" to stop cutting, or stop thinking about suicide. So often I have not felt that deep urge, that u so wonderfully describe, to feel anything other than a debilitating depression.

BUT as soon as I became unstuck enough, even just a little bit, I began to experience the "want", the "need" to change.
Until the "wanting" occurs, no change can happen.

It is a strengthy in u, that you feel that sincere need to do what is right. This need goes beyond the yetzer Hora, and ultimately it will be the part that will help you heal from your painful addiction.

Hoping my words make some sense to u.

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Today was a good day. This is the first time in a really long time I reached TWO WEEKS!!!!!!! With out sinning. I'm actually proud of my self and this is the first time I can ever say the thoughts of previous winnings are helping me further. I am still skeptical but optimistic
 
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Ringeddavid, YOU ARE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!


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ringed guess what that means!!!
 
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true, that this provides energy for further correction of oneself, but if one is not clear headed he is doomed . there is no way he will succeed in that. How do you deal with this aspect?


Debbi has started a new thread because it was taking her too long to load this thread. So I'm continuing in the new thread (p. addiction 2). See you there.

 
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Hi all,

in my humble opinion, with all due respect to Debbie it is more important for people to be able to see and read what's going on with the interested people then worry about the thread loading, 99% of us have DSL as well. I Bezras Hashem plan to stay here. I don't mean to disregard anyone. Its just I value this forum and what it does for me, its more than a convenience
 
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Thank you all for your support especially those who PM me!! It really helps me go on. It doesn't make any sense why but it does.

Last night I went to a wedding out of town and I was sitting at the table being all proud of myself, and I thought when will I be healed that I don't have to be worried about this problem anymore? Then I thought is that a possibility?

Is it true this problem can go away? If yes how do you know when it is gone? And of coarse what does it take?

Again thank you everyone I appreciate all your help, keep me going (if that is right or wrong to say I don't know)

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Sorry for my being insensitive. Of course u need the continuity of this thread.
Unfortunately no DSL on this end, didnt realise it was not a problem for others.

Keep up the good work.


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Ringed, I think that the issue is the same as when an alcoholic recovers - you consider yourself recoverING. Because I'm sure that every time a temptation comes up, you will briefly think about it, and let it go (eventually).

I'm glad you're getting encouragement, but remember, its encouragement to keep doing what you're doing, not an indication that the problem is OVER yet. I wish it would be, but there is likely to be a slip again, and I'm hoping it won't be as big as before, each one will get less and less and then you'll know its improving.

You'll be able to look at the situation and say "before, I would have..... and this time I only ...... " and realize you're making steps of progress.

Just keep going in the right direction and you'll keep feeling great about it.


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Hi all,

Su, from my understanding you said that i will likely slip again, now i know thats not a gaurentee but its "likely". To be honest i dont j=know how to take that line.

1) When something is likely, people tend to let it happen because it is slightly acceptable if it does happen. Why is it that way?

2) i had asked earlier, Is it possible to be gone? why yes or no? I would think yes because if you are actually successful in winning then you WON, correct?

3) if you want to look at this from a yetzers point of view, I had two feelings today, on was hey I'm winning and I have the momentum, I "opened" the needle hole for Hashem to help me and He has, He has helped me for such a long strecht A'H forever, so why cant i really win, and theefore when is it that I won?

But the second thought was, Hey whats going on, where is my yetzer hara, what is he/I doing that I am inning lately so much, what is the tactic that he?i willtry against me next, will I have the power and cntrol to win? if he?I is dorment then it must be really big, I dont want to face a big fight who know if i will win? Im not scared to lose im scared what will happen after I loose.

I'm alittle confused about this point but I want to let you know, I feel much more confident im my self, in reference to fighting i feel stronger in the sense that i can walk in the street and see a women and know that I have very recently and successfully controled my thoughts. That gives me the feeling that can do it some more. Not that I have won but that I can try and know that it is possible.
 
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I believe that everything is a process. You work on one thing which leads to the next level and the next thereafter.

Also, I think that once you have something, it can always be triggered. In the same way as a physical illness. When someone has a weakness in their body, be it large or small, whenever their immune system is low, this weakness will be triggered, and it will come back.
Having said that, B'H there are ways to prevent the weakness from returning. For instance if a person is prone to getting colds, or coughing, then he may want to make sure he gets the flue shot "before" he sees any symptoms.

Do u get what i mean?
I dont think that one ever "wins" in the real sense of the word. Or more so, one does "win" but on a regular basis. Every time you overcome those feelings, you have in essence "won". I think that there is no ultimate winning, in that you reach the day when u have conquered your yetzer, and that u never have to look back and think about it again.

I believe that it is the reason for lour living on this earth, to constantly, and consistantly work on our faults, and each time we do, we have won, and then we can go further, and reach higher.

This is all growth for you. It is allowing you to become stronger in alot of ways. It is a huge accomplishment, one that u should be proud of. Not that many people are emotionally healthy enough to do the work that you are doing. Many of us would rather stick our heads in the sand, and float through life without ever doing the real work.

I congratulate you for putting such a enormous amount of energy into overcoming your addiction, as well as the fact that you are succeeding!

 
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hi everyone,
Last night I spoke to my therapist again, it was a good conversation, I. Feel like I'm building a trust with him. Although I don't see how I will ever come out of my anonymity and reveal myself to him only for the sake of my family. But I do feel closer to him and even though I am paying him I feel a lot of gratitude and debt to him for helping me think clearer and be able to introduce this great news to you.

Tonight by kabolos shabbos I will say to Hashem this is the second complete week I have been clean from my sin and I am so happy and excited for myself. AND Bezras Hashem, this tuesday will be the THIRD WEEK of being clean. I can't remember the last time I went that long. May Hashem keep me and all the fighters of this problem fighting and winning forever. I don't have much more news other than this. But ......

I would like to thank and wish a gut shabbos to all the supprters here for really keeping people like me going. May Hashem give you a great week to come.

Gut Shabbos,
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Great going David!! Very proud of you!! You are taking steps in the right direction, may this be the beginning of great things for you!


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David, I'm very glad for you.

I hope to continue to hear good news.

Have a gut voch.
 
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Hi everyone it seems like things have simmered down here, which I guess/think its a good thing it keeps it on a necessity basis. Which is good, because there was a time where I was concerned I would become dependent on the forum to the extent that I would not be able to continue with out the crutch but I'm really glad that its not that way and I have succeeded with the forum being on the back burner.

Well to inform you yesterday morning was the completion of three clean weeks from my sin, it truly is a wonderful feeling. The irony is that I am on a plane back from where I was when I sinned last.

I spoke with my therapist for the fifth time yesterday and it was the second time he brought this up and I would like as many peoples opinion on the matter. The way he put it was;
No 2 cases are the same, and the way to treat these issues is by using methods that work by most people and see how it will go by me.

The issue is that ALTHOUGH I AM NOWHERES CLOSE TO THIS STAGE I WILL REPEAT I AM NOT NEAR THIS STAGE and we both agree with this he feels for complete closure I should tell my wife of my problem (when its healed) and that I've received counsel for it.


Now I feel that 1) does that have to be the only way for closure? No so why is it so imperative to be done.

True I have wronged my wife terribly and that is the guilt that I will swallow forever, but there is no reason for her to go through that if it is not necessary, bezras Hashem I will be healed and the thing I will bury is my not telling her of this problem, you should note I feel that this is baggage that I brought with me into the marriage and (like su7 once said) I thought that it would change once I get a wife to take care of my needs. AS WELL!!! I NEVER, DON'T, AND DON'T PLAN TO HIDE ANYTHING FROM MY WIFE NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, except for the baggage that I brought with me and with hashem's help be healed very soon.

So true I am "hurt" myself my wife and my marriage by have something inside of me and not share it, but I don't think the pain that she will have is worth it.

So please all you who read this and all who have posted and helped in the past, let me know what you think, share your thoughts. It would be nice if the Dr.'s from the other posts of the forum would comment. I'd love to hear what they have to say.

Thank you to all of you

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It says that Hashem misquoted Soroh (who said that Avrohom was old) and quoted her as saying that she herself was old, in order to keep sholom bais.

Before a marriage, it is important to tell certain things in order that one person doesn't fool the other. But this only applies to certain things, and even then it is important to ask a Rav.

In your case, where hopefully you can make this thing disappear, why cause needless agravation. Instead of closure, you may be opening a new can of worms. If you do consider to tell, it is probably very important to ask another one or two opinions from therapists, and also to ask a Rav. But as I wrote, and as you are writing, it seems to make a lot of sense to not say anything.
 
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Gad, I agree with you. If you feel you're "healed" then don't tell her.


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Just for your knowledge, although my rabbi sis not know to what extent I was invi wass involved he did tell me that I can withhold that from my wife. But t
 
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Hi All. I just wanted to introduce myself to the thread. I am in my early thirties and have been a pornography addict for the greater part of my adult life. My childhood was difficult growing up and I drifted in and out of yiddishkiet, before settling down and getting married. I thought the marriage would be the cure all for my addiction, but unfortunately it was not. I have been able to make material progress by using the recovery forums at no-porn.com, but have hit a figurative wall.

If anyone one has any experience, ideas or methods that they can suggest, I would be happy to listen as well as contribute.

Thanks for listening ...
 
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Feel free to post here for support.

You can also learn from what it says here, and from the examples of others (like ringeddavid) who become very motivated, and find expert advisors etc.

Hope to hear good news with this and, with your general life and your Yiddishkeit.
 
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Thanks Gad for the words of encouragement. Things have been pretty difficult for me, but I have made it 2 full weeks without stumbling. I am experiencing strong withdrawal symptoms and feel like I am fighting inch by inch.

Any advice, suggestions, encouragement etc. etc. is greatly appreciated.

Be Well,
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Nav, I sent you a PM i dont know if you got it. if you dont know how to check, on the top left of your page when you are logged in there is a pad lock, click on it and it will take you to your personal msgs
 
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Thanks David! I appreciate you taking the time to send me a message. If you check your inbox, I have responded.
 
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Hi David,

I dont have too much time to write here, but I wanted to say that I think you should NOT tell your wife. You are right, why hurt her now? She respects you, she loves you, why give her something to worry about?
I dont understand your therapists opinion on this. To tell her just so that "you" can heal? How selfish is that? What about how she may have to heal after she hears?

I sometimes listen to Dr. Joy browne on the radio. She's a pschychologist. Her advice is NEVER to tell a spouse about an affair or some irresponsible behavior (i'm not C"V comparing your addictyion to an affair)
Because its just a way to unload onto the other person. It will cause them pain and suffering for no good reason, other than for the "teller" to feel better. I dont believe thats very fair at all.

So I commend you on caring enough about your wifes feelings, enough so that altho u will carry this burden always (i'm sure it will lessen after Yom Kippur. G-d forgives) your wife and family will stay intact.

I think u r a wonderful husband!
 
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I came across this article called "Pschychological factors in sxual acting out"
it is really interesting, and helps one understand where this addiction stems from.

http://www.drsorotzkin.com/psychological_factors.html

Hope it is of some help, to any of u seeking some answers.


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Debbie,

Firstly I will correct you on that if you know how the process works and what the reason for telling ones spouse is I think you would change your opinion. That way of thinking is a bit imature in the sense of understanding the WHOLE process. From what I can understand, and anyone please correct me if I am wrong, the reasons why one should tell his wife is: She was also hurt by your wrong doings even though she doesnt know.For a person to heal so that he will not fall prey to it again he must clear and clean and heal (to himself for himself) ALL the places where he did damage that includes the uneducated spouse. I feel that even though that is true I still wont do thaat to her and hurt her like that, I will need to find a way with my therapist that I will be healed and not have to tell my wife. True I do agree with you concerning the pain that she will feel is not worth it to have to take that avenue for healing but you should understand the reason for it
 
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I'm sorry I dont understand.
How do you heal by telling your spouse about something that will cause her pain? And how did you hurt her through your sins if she didnt even know about them? By your being unavailable to her? By lying to her?
Lets say a person steals $100 from their mother when they r 10 years old, and she never found out who the culprit was.
How would it help the person in his Teshuva process, to confess to his mother today, about something he did 10 years ago?
It would only cause the mother unecessary pain that her own son would steal money from her. And for the son? How would that help him stop stealing, aside for the fact that he is unloading his own pain onto the very person he is guiltyof commiting a sin against?

So i apologise if I dont get the healing process from your point of veiw, or from any proffessionals if there is one out there who could perhaps clarify this process.
There is one thing however I resent, and that is being called immature. Anyone who has been on the recieving end of pornography, as I have. Anyone who has suffered the pain of their body being used for someone elses pleasures can unfortunately not remain immature.
Those ppl, as have I, were forced to grow up and become "mature" even at a young age.

I have tried to be understanding, and even helpful, so I am sorry that u choose to see my words in a
distorted fashion, and not take them in the honest way they were meant.

Good luck in your "healing" , and I hope u dont hurt anyone else during your "process".
 
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Hi Debbi,

Although I am not as familiar with this thread as many hear, I would just like to add my 2 cents.

I really do not think that David meant to call you "immature", rather the thought you annunciated (which I happened to agree with) is perhaps flawed or "immature". I think that David could and should have phrased his comment better, but I do not think it was a personal attach against you.

That being said, I strongly concur with your approach of not disclosing. I think that much of the psychological rhetoric about not being able to move on from addiction unless we come to "terms" or "peace" with our past, is just that, rhetoric.

I think it is a no brainer that if an addict is able to fully recover with out disclosing that is most certainly the preferable route.

I myself have not disclosed, but then again, I have not recovered either.

I had a MAJOR slip on sunday after 2 weeks of sobriety and feel absolutely terrible. I feel like the dog that the rabbi's describe that regurgitates its food and then goes back to eat it.

I feel helpless in my recovery efforts and feel like if I stay clean for 1 week or 1 month, there is really not much difference, as I will fall back in anyways.

Seeking help and seeking answers.

I appreciate the article you posted from Dr. Sorotzkin. I did not have time to read it, but it looks like a great resource.

Wishing You Well!
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Debbie, I don't have the time to write an explanation of what I wrote but chas veholom I would never want to insult you or anyone who has has given me support throught this process please forgive me. All I was saying was that the thought procedd that was in the reasons that you gave where not fully developed in the sense of of following through with. What my therapist was saying. But please I never meant to hurt your feelings I will explain later
 
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Nav I can't reply to you privately for some reason, but I will try to be intouch with you this evening at the elected time

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Debbie,

Its kind of what nav was saying, of coarse you are not imature. The imaturaty is the in the process of the reaction, meaning that it isn't a developed reaction.

Thank Hashem I have reached 4 week two days ago and bezras Hashem many more for everyone

 
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David, 4 weeks is fantastic.

This is something to be very proud of. I certainly am proud of you!!


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Thanks, I feel really proud my self. As well being clean for such a long strech it really opened me up to a new life i am so much more of a better happier peson, I am a better husband by alot. i can make more time for my wife and most importantly im not down nearly as much as I used to be. it even helped me get a healthier diet going and I lost a good amount of wieght!!

Hope to hear good news from everyone

Nav keep it up just keep on fighting we are all here for you and if u ever need a boost give a holla

Its amazing what Hashem did to us by giving us undiservingly such a powerful thing as the brain!! we can lead a unhealthy life for so long and with the power of some mitzvos from total strangers He gave us the power to turn that around and make our own small little world such a happier better place to live in!!

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David, do you think your wife notices a difference?


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Glad to hear you are doing well David!

I wish I was doing so well myself. I got a call 11:00 PM on Thursday from a co-worker who needed my assistance on a pressing issue and requested that I go online to help out with the work activity. As a precaution, I have generally tried to stay offline in the evenings, but in this instance had to help out with the work activity.

Unfortunately I was not strong enough and slipped on Thursday night and then again on Friday.

Feeling down in the dumps ...

Later,
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Hi all,

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Hi all,

Su7, I am the most thrilled that I know that I'm am being a better husband, just by how I fell that I'm treating my wife. Although its. Not as simple as it sounds there is an eqation to it. If you are a tentative man to all her needs + you give her the time of day = a happy wife the truth is I didn't. Ask her and I don't know for sire but I think she seems to be noticing that I am more attentative. She doesn't ask me to pay more attention to her and so on so over all I think she does
 
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That's great, I'm sure she's thrilled.


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Hi all,

Su7, I am the most thrilled that I know that I'm am being a better husband, just by how I feel that I'm treating my wife. Although its not as simple as it sounds there is an equation to it. If you are a tentative man to all her needs + you give her the time she needs = a happy wife. The truth is I didn't ask her and I don't know for sure but I think she seems to be noticing that I am more attentive. She doesn't ask me to pay more attention to her and so on, so over all I think she does see a differenece in me.

Nav, I tried you a few times but no answer, you haven't goten back to me about a sched of talking on the phone. The reason why I'm bringing this up is to show you that in truth the only way to get the healing going is to actually comit to change and you will figure out what to do abiut how to change afterwards. My therapist told me and I realized it my self. The reason why I called him was because I felt that I hit bottom, and I really felt llike I did. If you don't feel like your there you got to realize that you have to make where every you stand, that is your bottom and now you must work up. Let's keep intouch and let me know wwhen you'd like to set up. A schedule to chat.

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Hi all,

Su7, I am the most thrilled that I know that I'm am being a better husband, just by how I feel that I'm treating my wife. Although its not as simple as it sounds there is an equation to it. If you are a tentative man to all her needs + you give her the time she needs = a happy wife. The truth is I didn't ask her and I don't know for sure but I think she seems to be noticing that I am more attentive. She doesn't ask me to pay more attention to her and so on, so over all I think she does see a difference in me.

Nav, I tried you a few times but no answer, you haven't gotten back to me about setting up a schedule for us, to talk on the phone. The reason why I'm bringing this up is to show you that in truth the only way to get the healing going is - to actually commit to change and you will figure out what to do about how to change afterwards. My therapist told me and I realized it myself. The reason why I called him was because I felt that I hit bottom, and I really felt like I did. If you don't feel like you're at your bottom, you got to realize that you have to make where every you stand, your bottom and then you must work upwards. Let's keep in touch and let me know when you'd like to set up a schedule to chat.

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Hi David,

I use a pre-paid cell phone so I am not always available to pick up. I have not hit rock bottom per-se in the sense that i feel that things chas-vashalom could not get worse. My wife does not know about my addiction and I still have a job. I have, however, become increasingly frustrated with always falling back into sin. You are right that whatever my circumstances are, I need to make this my bottom and really get on the path to recovery. I cannot do it alone.

I will e-mail you privately.

Be well and stay strong!
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hey ringeddavid! greetings from the holy land! don't get to read or respond much, but i am really happy for you after reading what you wrote so far. just wanted to tell you i'm still here and thinking of you.


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Hi I was just reading through some of this thread and I must commend you ringeddavid for all your hard work to recover. I'm married to an addict but I must admit that he didn't even realize he hit rock bottom when he did. I found out about his addiction and confronted him and he promised to change but didn't stop. change must truly come from within a person before it can happen. When you REALLY want to accomplish something Hashem helps.
 
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Nav, I wish you well. You intention to try to correct things is in itself commendable. You can refer to the posts above which can give you information and encouragement.

Hope to hear good news.
 
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