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TOPIC TITLE: Any frum MSDG meetings?
Created On 12/28/06 10:36 AM
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Zehavi
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Are there any frum MDSG meetings in Williamsburg, Boro Park, or Flatbush?

Also, I am BP Type 1 and have been basically completely detached from the community for at least a year (no interaction, don't go to shul, etc)... My doctor says this is because of the bipolar illness... Meanwhile I am shunned in my community because I haven't told them of my illness and my wife doesn't want anyone to know...
 
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DEAR Zehavi i come from lakewood and modern orthodox.i don't know of any groups but maybe we can talk.i am also bipolar.


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Hi,

Thanks for the reply... I have friends in Lakewood and I would love to live there... I currently live in Williamsburg and I enjoy it and I LOVE my Rebbe, Rav Chanina Avrohom Leitener, the Montevideo Rav. I do have problem though as I haven't found anyone in my community that is knowledgable about Bipolar disorder. For the 1 - 11/2 years I have basically been a hermit and stay to myself. I do go to work but that is very difficult for me.

When I do talk to people about my situation, I am told that "its all in my head"... "pull out of it"... stay in the Beis Medrash and learning Torah will heal my mind.

One of my problems is that my memory is completely shot and I am constantly in a fog... When I read something, I forget what I have read immediately. I have to read and reread...

Another major problem I have is that my doctor has put me on a very strict sleeping schedule and I have to be in bed no later than 8:30 pm. Everyone asks me why I don't go to Maariv and I don't know what to answer them... One question I hear alot and I HATE it is: "How do you feel?" This is the question I dread... I don't want to complain, but each day I feel differently. For the last three weeks I have been thinking of suicide...



 
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Zehavi, I'm a lay person, and don't know much, but if your thoughts are going down that direction, maybe you should talk to your doctor about it and see if he can balance your meds.


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MY DEAR Zhavi please stop thinking about suicide,i also did it is not an option if you are a yerai shomaim,if you are frum you know that this is a worse thing to do.i forgot about it years ago.i'm 55 years old and a grandfather,i've been ill since my teens and i still keep going.i don't think you are seeing the right doctor.the right medication helps alot,is your doctor a psychiatrist if not you need one who is well qulified. you also said you don't know about bipolar disorder basically you feel like you can do anything and feeling very energetic that's a high and the there's a low when you are depressed and don't feel like doing anything and even g-d forbid killing yourself.hang in there you'll feel better! for now don't worry what other people think they will forget about it when you get better.you will get better!!!!!!!!!!!!! have a good shabbos i'll be looking for your reply tommorow night. i,m here to help you.


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Hi...

My doctor thank G-d is one of the best. The people at NAMI (National Alliance on Mental Illness) told me that my doctor (psychiatrist) is in the top 5 in terms of treatment of mood disorders. I was misdiagnosed for 7 years and my current doctor was the one who correctly diagnosed me as Bipolar Type 1.

I am becoming knowledgeable about bipolar disorder, the people in my community unfortunately are NOT... For example, I was reading the other day an excellent book called An Unquiet Mind: A Memoir of Moods and Madness and it is written by Dr. Kay Redfield Jamison, a professor of psychiatry @ Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. She explains that bipolar disorder is an illness and is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. It is a biological problem.

"Manic-depression distorts moods and thoughts, incites dreadful behaviors, destroys the basis of rational thought, and too often erodes the desire and will to live. It is an illness that is biological in its origins, yet one that feels psychological in the experience of it; an illness that is unique in conferring advantage and pleasure, yet one that brings in its wake almost unendurable suffering and, not infrequently, suicide."

People don't decide to "act out" if they are manic or commit suicide if they are depressed... I have an acquaintance who ran up and down the street naked when he had a bipolar episode. Do you think that the fact he was a frum person affected his actions? He was in a different reality. The same with suicide... As of 2005 statistics, one in five persons with BP killed themselves and 50% may attempt suicide at least once in their lifetime. The British journal Lancet says that over 32% of people with bipolar illness will commit suicide. Another very close friend of mine, Gidon Basch was killed by police (suicide by cop?) after a mood disorder trip and he was a very frum person.

At my last support group meeting, I also found out that in the first 3-4 months of going on medication, the risks of suicide is much higher as the medicine needs to be adjusted, tweaked, etc...


 
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YOU SEEM TO BE MUCH MORE INFORMED THAN YOU SOUNDED IN YOUR LAST DISSCUSION. i know that this is a chemical imbalance,it is also many times genetic.i used prozac for a long time 16 yrs. it worked wonders and it started to work very quickly.but after awhile i got prozac poopout and went on to others.i was told it only takes up to three weeks to kick in.if it doesn't you should try another antidepresant.i also read that sucicide happens mostly in the teens and early twenties.i know about the your friend who was killed by police.that was for nothing they did'nt have to kill him. THIS ILLNESS AND MOST OTHERS CAN HAPPEN TO ANYBODY. SHALOM BE WELL.


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I'm just curious what the name of your doctor is? Is the doctor a warm compassionate person. Please respond.


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my doctor is robert grossman he's a very nice caring fellow,very courteous.his no. 212 828 9858 address 101 e 80th st ny.hatzlacha.


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Hi... My doctor is Ulla Kristiina Laakso and she is located at 910 Park Avenue. Her number is 212-517-3900. I wouldn't characterize her as being warm or compassionate, but many doctors I have spoken to who know of her says she "knows her stuff" when it comes to mood disorders...

She is a specialist in Psychopharmacology of mood; anxiety and psychotic disorders; eating disorders; attention deficit disorders; and second opinions. She did her residency at Albert Einstein College of Medicine-Montefiore Medical Center, Bronx, NY. I was referred to her by doctors @ NYU Medical Center. She is associated with St. Luke's Roosevelt Hospital and Beth Israel Medical Center.

I hope this helps...

Be well!
 
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