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zeigezuntunshtark
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I'm not sure if this was already mentioned as I haven't read all the diff. topics, but there is a specific treatment for Religious OCD. It was actualy very interesting when I discovered a questionnaire online- I couldnt believe that there actualy was such an 'official' condition and not something wrong only with me, that only I do...I guess by now, in general, I've figured out that there is no condition, no matter what it is, that is only by me...
There is a Dr. Fred Penzel who's supposed to be expert on this as well as Trich and OCD in general. I really wanted to go to him but he's quite expensive and I just really cant affort it right now, although I know that may be silly bec. this is my life and I should live it and not suffer, but what can I do? I wish I could go to him to help myself, with Hashem's help. (PS, that last line, 'with Hashem's help' was also religious OCD, although I obviously believe in Hashem etc., I just 'had to' write that, or else I felt that Hashem wouldn't help me...that is a way religious ocd manifest's itself...)
 
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It may help to do as follows:

Don't say "with G-d's help."

Then tell yourself that even if the worst happens, it won't be because you omitted "with G-d's help," but for other reasons.


It may be difficult at first, but eventually it should get easier.
 
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"Religious OCD," in my observation, is spawned by pretentiousness but mostly by ignorance. The Ramah, in Shulchan Aruch, writes regarding designating "signs" to guide one's self (prohibited in the Torah though practiced in many fashions by Jews) that although there are some types of designations that have a "basis upon which to rely" it is the Ramah's personal sentiment that one may dispense of them entirely and "ha-boteach ba-hashem chesed yisovevenu" ("he that trusteth in the Lord mercy shall compass him about" - Tehillim 32:10). Perhaps I digress. The point is that many people repeat behaviors for which there is no halachic significance to their repetition. If one has ritually washed his hands then the repetition of such action is not only meaningless but borders on heresy. For the sages tell us that one who refuses to eat food in which non-kosher food has been diluted to the extent that it is halachically permissible out of reluctance to consume the non-kosher elements is displaying heresy for he is rebelling against the halacha which rules that it is permitted and fully kosher.

On the other hand, I have five fingers.

(I had to throw that in or I'd never let myself forget that I didn't; you need to have OCD to understand.)

What I meant to add was: On the other hand, those who coach the problem of "religious OCD" often mistake true attention-to-detail possessed by those with OCD as behavior to be avoided. The truth is that if, for example, one is ritually washing one's hands and notices that some required area of the hand was not completely covered with water, he must redo the ritual even if he has to do so 100 times or more, for the washing is invalid if not done according to the demands of the halacha. And this applies to any other halacha - has anyone ever sat through a kriyas ha-torah with correction after correction because of mispronunciation of the words? Well, this is so for any halacha.

Even considering that the above is not discarded G-d forbid (wait, G-d already forbade! So let's say 'heaven forefend'), when one does cease repetitions of "religious" behavior due to "treatment" of this condition he is most likely to redirect the obsessive compulsive behavior to some other venue because the cause of the OCD has not been addressed and the subject has simply been persuaded to release the security he feels from these "religious" repetitions. At the end of the day there is certainly no harm if one recites the shema over and over for five hours instead of rewatching the evening news he Tivoed over and over during those five hours.

In this particular instance, knowledge is the best therapy. Study halacha and know it well; what should be done and what requires one's fulfillment. May we all merit to observe halacha to it's fullest: with precision, attention to the finest detail, and the knowledge to proceed at every opportunity with the most appropriate action.


Edited: 11/25/06 at 11:33 PM by Maskil
 
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do you ( or anyone ) know of a group or organisation that helps mentally/emotionally challenged people in finding shiduchim?
 
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Hi,

You might want to contact The Kesher Connection at 718-576-1094

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do they have a web site?
i found something in washington --but, nothing about shidduchim....

Washington, DC - Kesher Connection ...
online version of Kesher Connection newsletter via www.shalomdc.org/specialneeds


i am in montreal canada -- but communication by internet with someone anywhere is ok


 
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hi motcha, name is josh and i have been wondering where i can find the book of greenwald on ocd with the steipler. One more question i have ocd but not the religious form, is the psak from the steipler that it has no halachik basis apply to that as well. thanks josh


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hi Josh welcome to frumsupport!!!!
 
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I am an OCD specialist. Everyone I see has OCD or a related anxiety condition. This advice does not constitute treatment and I wouldn't want to diagnose someone by email. However, the symptoms you describe are common among the OCD sufferers I treat in my practice. OCD can take literally thousands of different forms as unique as the individual, not just the ones you read about. OCD is an anxiety condition in which the sufferer has unwanted thoughts or worries and feels compelled to get rid of the thought by either an action, avoiding certain situations, or by mentally reassuring themselves (or asking others to reassure them) that their worry is irrational. None of these measures works and, in fact, only make the worry worse in the long run. OCD does not mean you are going crazy, it is simply an anxiety condition and nothing more. About 6 million people suffer from OCD in the U.S. alone. You can get more information about ocd on my website www.OCDhotline.com.

The good news is that OCD is very treatable, and medication might not be needed indefinitely, if at all. Hundreds of studies support that the most effective treatment for OCD is "exposure response prevention" (ERP), which is a special type of behavior therapy designed specifically for OCD. ERP is the only treatment endorsed by the Obsessive Compulsive Foundation. ERP enables sufferers to very gradually overcome their fears and let go of their compulsions at a pace with which they feel comfortable, so they are never overwhelmed. Results are achieved in a matter of months not years. ERP is more effective than medication, therapy and medication combined, or any other kind of therapy. Medication provides only temporary or partial relief and has side effects; symptoms just come back when you end the medication. ERP provides permanent relief, essentially eliminating OCD forever.

Most of my clients benefit from ERP alone with no medication. If someone is on medication already, however, I recommend staying on it until therapy is complete and then gradually reduce and eliminate medication while continuing the therapy for another several weeks or months to assure that symptoms don't return.

There are many medications used for OCD. The most popular are Luvox, Zoloft, Lexepro, Celexa, Prozac, and Anafranil, which is an older medication. (This is not an exhaustive list.)

One very helpful book on OCD is written by my former client, Linda Maran, and is called "Confronting the Bully Of OCD," which describes her therapy with me. It's a wonderful success story written from the perspective of a former OCD sufferer who overcame it. Two helpful books written by professionals are "Stop Obsessing" by Edna Foa and "When Once Is Not Enough" by Gail Steketee. The movie "As Good As It Gets" with Jack Nicholson is a depiction of an OCD sufferer, although aspects of it are inaccurate.

I don't know where you live. I practice in mid-town Manhattan (34th St.), Westchester, Rockland, and New Jersey and would be happy to arrange an appointment at 212-726-2390. If you live outside of the New York metropolitan area, you can find a local therapist by contacting the Obsessive Compulsive Foundation (www.ocfoundation.org) in New Haven, Connecticut, or the Association for the Advancement Of Behavior Therapy (www.aabt.org) in Manhattan, New York City.Ask them for an OCD specialist in your area. Please note, by "local" and "your area" I mean within a 2 hour trip, so be flexible about how far you'll look; trust me it's worth the trip. If they don't have someone in your area, ask them if they know of a similar organization in your region that could make a referral to you. Such organizations would have words such as "OCD," "Cognitive Therapy," or "Behavior Therapy" in their titles. Occasionally, a prestigious hospital associated with a medical school will also have a sliding fee clinic with words such as "Anxiety," "Depression," "Fear and Phobia," or the above terms in it's title. Usually the therapists in these hospital clinics are junior therapists in training--such as psychology graduate students or medical students--but they are supervised by very experienced licensed professionals. Once you get names of therapists, you have to call and interview the therapists by phone. There are two "test" questions you must ask them before you make an appointment: (1) Is ERP the main technique they use? If they don't, forget about using them. And (2) How many people have they SUCCESSFULLY treated FOR OCD? They should have treated at least several people, the people should not longer have obsessions or compulsions or should not be taking medication any more. They should NOT say they just helped people "live with" their OCD better.

I hope this information has been helpful.


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I am a woman with OCD. I would be interested in working on a self-help book on ocd with someone else who has ocd, especially a lot of troublesome thoughts. Two good books I saw are
1. the ocd workbook by bruce m. hyman PHD and Cherry Pedrck R.N.
2. Brainlock by jeffrey Schwartz
My e-mail address is kloom345@gmail.com .

Hatzlacha to everyone who suffers from this horrible illness recover.
 
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