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LuYitzlach
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If someone (me) has just totally had it with life, has seen enough pain that they just can’t take it anymore, how do they get out of it?

I mean, I know of some painless ways to end my life on this world; that’s not my problem. My problem is, that if I believe in an afterlife, then even when I get out of this life, I’ll just be thrown right into the next one. And something tells me it will be even worse then…

So is there any way to get out of that world? I once remember reading, I don’t remember where, that if someone is really really bad, G-d won’t send them to paradise or to purgatory – He’ll just make them into nothing, as if they never existed. Does anyone know which sins qualify?
 
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luyitzlach, it's funny how I had the exact same thoughts when I felt suicidal, and I felt so stuck, with no way out, either choice was bound to cause suffering, felt like bein' stuck between a rock and a brick wall, but I promise, even if it seems impossible to you, it does get better, the darkest time of night is before dawn. Just hang in there long enough to experience the bright side of life.

btw, not trying to scare you, but from what I've heard and read, if you sinned really bad (ending your life included) ur not turned into "nothing", your soul just kinda wonders around finding no rest, it's an extremely painful form of non-existence with no peace and no relief.
 
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luyitzlach, it's funny how I had the exact same thoughts when I felt suicidal, and I felt so stuck, with no way out, either choice was bound to cause suffering, felt like bein' stuck between a rock and a brick wall, but I promise, even if it seems impossible to you, it does get better, the darkest time of night is before dawn. Just hang in there long enough to experience the bright side of life.

btw, not trying to scare you, but from what I've heard and read, if you sinned really bad (ending your life included) ur not turned into "nothing", your soul just kinda wonders around finding no rest, it's an extremely painful form of non-existence with no peace and no relief.
 
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i just checked it up, and i found it again ("the way of G-d/Derech Hashem", chapter 2). it seems like there is a possibility to just "be anihilated" - if one is so evil and corrupted that no amount of suffering or purgatory will help, then he just becomes like he never existed. unless i misunderstood it.
 
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I'm so sorry ur feeling so desperate, I feel ur pain (to the extent possible) just know that ur not alone, people here really care about you.
I never learnt Derech Hashem, but checked w/husband and he confirmed that there's no such thing as nothingness, rather it's a form of non-belonging, meaning the soul gets lost and can't find any rest, it has nowhere to settle and wanders around in nothingness, disconnected from its source, I don't exactly understand it myself to be honest, but I just know that it's extremely painful, much worse than purgatory.
I wanna tell you something which I'm going to pm, check ur messages.
 
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Originally posted by: LuYitzlach
i just checked it up, and i found it again ("the way of G-d/Derech Hashem", chapter 2). it seems like there is a possibility to just "be anihilated" - if one is so evil and corrupted that no amount of suffering or purgatory will help, then he just becomes like he never existed. unless i misunderstood it.



dr depressed , yeah, but evil and corrupted? no way!! i dont know you, but if yuo feeel like you do it means ur sensitive- to sensitive to be mean... i cant get myself to say what i mean, its x coming into words, just a feeling... AHH!! i wish i knew what to say!!!
 
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i didn't mean that i was necessarily evil and corrupt. i meant that if that is the only way out, like if i wasn't interested in living in purgatory in this world and then doing it again 'up there'... and i decided that just turning into oblivion is the best option.... so i wanted to know *how to* become evil and corrupt, like what would make me qualify for this treatment...
not sure if i'm making much sense...
 
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When the soul passes on to the next world, it sometimes needs a cleansing.

When someone suffered on this earth, there is much less need for cleansing, since the suffering on this earth cleanses tremendously.

 
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how've you been doing luyitzlach? came up with any creative solutions? have been thinking about u, hope ur feeling better.
 
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I do understand what you feel,every now and then i feel it but always come out of it.No one escapes judgement .dont do something you will regret.
 
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Haven’t come up with any creative solutions (if there was a solution I bet someone would have let the world know by now, no? )
I’m just hangin in there, some days my grip is better than others… thanks for askin
 
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glad you're still around, and even sounding better...
 
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So, like, I’m still thinking if there’s a way for me to get out of this misery... And since I now know that dying (suicide) won’t give me anything better cuz I’ll still exist, and I know that living is no fun cuz I’m trying it now and hating it… so I thought up of something…
Maybe if I cut out all of my brain (like cerebrum…) except for my brain stem and necessary parts, then I’ll still be alive so my soul will still be trapped in my body and won’t be able to suffer, but I won’t anymore be awake/conscious to know of my troubles. Like that I’ll be able to live in bliss… even if I won’t know I’m in that state…
What do you think?
(I know this really won’t work… cuz, from a practical point, how will my body regulate temp and how will I stay hydrated…. And, from a spiritual point, if I haven’t finished my tikkun, then I’ll just have to come back down to redo it and I really really don’t want to have to redo all this just to be up to where I am now… but I’m doing some wishfull thinking )
 
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sounds similar to a lobotomy, am not exactly sure how it works, but it was originally meant to sever some parts of the brain to provide some relief, I used to want that, but my pdoc said the research proves it doesn't even work, it just basically turns the person into a vegetable, so as you said, your only option is to stick with what you've got and try to make the best out of it... sure sounds like you are...
 
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LuYitzlach
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thanks for the encouragement wishtobehappy! i really appreciate it!
 
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it sounds really bad your situation, but trust me it's not as bad as mine was. i don't know how to convince you, but i can tell you that G-d gave me so much hell after taking my father away from me without saying goodbye, i hardly have any tears left. So when you feel like jumping off the freedom tower, or try overdosing like i tried, although, i always managed to be careful not to take too much, remember it will end. it will. I suffered for over a decade with depression, mania, panic attacks, and other unspeakable cruelty. And believe me G-d loves you more than the average jo shmo, because of all the pain He's handed you. You may not see any light. I didn't. But once it's over, you'll be thankful you didn't jump. Because life can be very enjoyable.

By the way, I'm saying all this as a 31 year old that's not married. So understand that I'm not out of the woods yet, but I have tremendous Bitachon in Hashem that I will find my Bashert real soon, He can't torture me for so long. He's not out to get us, remember that.
 
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bimhara biyameinu!!!
 
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