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That's why I feel that we so desperately need rabbis who would answer our questions. And that's why I am writing my book. Because we all have similar questions, and they are not addressed in traditional sources.
 
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your book has some of theese answers? if so, i was looking forward for your book coming out , but now Im REALLY looking forward and hopee it gets out there soon!!!
 
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Channa, Hashem loves us unconditionally, not based on what we do or don't do.
Yisrael, af shechatah, yisrael hu.
So get that straight.
Anyway, your age is the time for questions. I had a million then.
 
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Many poskim would not consider those actions aveiras since you were under duress.

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Keep Climbing- when do all the qusetions stop? Do they stop when I find answers or when I finaly accept myself?) Or do I just have to wait for my 20th birthday so im not a teenager anymore? =) ) Arent teens supposed to feel incincible and at the top of the world? Well im not feeling it!!! HOw did you stop your questions? Does it eve n pay to ask because chances are I wont acept the answer? or are my questions just a way of getting attention?

Thanks Dr. Price... I guess Ive got a lot of self love to work on =)
 
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I'm in my mid-thirties and still not done with questions .

Channa, I don't think my book will answer all your questions, but at least it'll be a good start.
 
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Dr. Price, which poskim would you recommend for mental health shailos? I'm compiling a list for my book. I would ask their permission before including them.
 
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Channa, I think it's a combination of both--finding answers, and accepting yourself.
And there are always deeper levels--so, if I believe something, there's still always a newer level to understand.
So I'm never finished---no one is.
All these stereotypes--teenagers are supposed to be like this....mothers are supposed to be like that......are so painful. What if I don't fit in? (I never did)
First step, I think, is really feeling that Hashem loves me unconditionally. How do I get there?
By enumerating all the good I have in my life right now:
Physical health, family, comfortable home, time to enjoy them.....
If I keep repeating this over and over, it does sink in.
We have to have a basic belief in Hashem's goodness.
Listen to Chevy Garfinkel on Torah Anytime. She's excellent.
 
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k, ill try....thanks
 
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wich one?
 
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Vishnitz Dayan Shmuel Naiman answers many hashkafic/halachic shailoh's particularly those involving obsessions, compulsions, perfectionism.

Rabbi Price, M.D.
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Do you have his contact information, Dr. Price?
 
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Channa, it's Torah Anytime
Chevy Garfinkel, Ashrei, A road Map to a relationship with Hashem.
I listened to #3AND #4 but maybe it's best to start from the beginning.
Hatzlacha!
 
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(845) 659-9900 or (845) 371-1068 Let me know how you make out.
 
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K, ill give it a try...
thanks...
 
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Tell me what you think of this. The soul yearns to leave this material world and reunite with its source in Gan Eden. The higher the level the soul, the more pain in this world and greater the pleasure in the next. This helps me explain the suicidal instinct in good people who do not fit in here and fail to respond to chemical treatments.

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Dr. Price, may I quote you on this in my book?
 
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Sure
 
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Dr. Price, that is so validating! Ive always felt i just wasnt meant for this world and my soul years to be somewhere else. What a great thing to know im not the only one. Also, Dr price, have you ever experienced clinical depression?
 
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Last hope- do you have borderline?
 
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I was diagnosed with bpd like 7 yrs ago cuz i had a cutting incident but i still dunno if i fit the profile
 
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Edited: 7/16/13 at 4:51 PM by Mimi1022
 
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Mimi, I know it's none of my business because your post wasn't addressed to me, but I couldn't help interjecting.

I think what you said might have been slightly hurtful to someone even if they are not a borderline; and especially hurtful to someone who is a borderline.
 
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that being said, I'm no borderline expert, and I don't know you well enough, lasthope, but based on all your posts and from whatever I do know about you, it doesn't sound like you have borderline at all.
 
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I listened to them, thanks...
 
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i second that, wish. even if someone does have borderline, its noones place here to try to diagnose any of us, because that could be hurtful.


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Oh! Thank you for letting me know. I took it down. I'm so sorry if I offended anyone.

Hope everyone is having an easy fast.


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Your reaction was really impressive, Mimi . I hope I didn't either offend you. That wasn't my intention.

It's just a very sore topic for many people around here, and I had the feeling it may be offensive.
 
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Have an easy fast. Whatever is left of it.
 
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I feel bad. I'm going to try to be more sensitive.
 
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Don't feel bad about it. You didn't have to know that beforehand. I've had my share of making mistakes. We all have.

Besides, as I already stated in my previous post, it wasn't really any of my business to point it out, so I'm sorry about that. I guess tisha ba'av is really getting to me.


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Yea me too. Did you watch the Chofetz Chaim video? I just watched it in shul.
 
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nope. didn't watch it. anything interesting?
 
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Well since i diddnt get to see mimis post i dont have to be offended! Wishtobehappy, thanx for being sensitive for me, whatever it was that wassaid. Mimi, no hard feelings... Hope u all r doin ok
 
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You're welcome. As they say: "what you don't know can't hurt you ."

Well then, at least my butting in wasn't for naught this time... although I will try to snap my mouth shut next time. Sorry mimi.
 
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Dr. Price, that is so validating! Ive always felt i just wasnt meant for this world and my soul years to be somewhere else. What a great thing to know im not the only one. Also, Dr price, have you ever experienced clinical depression?




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Not formally diagnosed or treated but in retrospect, it would probably qualify as such.

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Interesting... I used to go to a therapist who went through a serious depression he even wrote a book about it (dr josh mark). I guess if u know what it feels like you can relate to them better and perhaps help better.
 
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Or it can be like " I got better on my own, why cant you?" But B"H Dr. Price isnt like that or we wouldnt be here right now...
 
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so how did you get out of it, Dr.Price?


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HaShem sent me my bashert.

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So do you sugest getting maried as a cure to depression? OR just in your case? Cuz marige is not a hospital.....
 
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thank you. i think i needed to see that in writing.


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I'm sorry to burst your bubble Dr. Price but I don't think Hashem sending you your bashert cured your depression, and if you think it did you're in serious denial. I am the perfect example of marriage NOT curing depression just MAKING IT WORSE!!! I also thought I would get married and poof my problems would disappear. Yea right.... I ended up getting divorced and even worse than when I started off...


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Since I was asked about my own personal experience, I shared only my own situation. I realize that a bad marriage can be much worse than being single and a good marriage can feel as if life has just begun. Fortunately, the latter was my experience. I meet a lot of couples who wish they could be single again and free from their abusive or neglectful prison and a lot of singles who cannot tolerate being alone even one more second.

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Thank you Dr. Price for your self disclosure - it helps.

Be Well,
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My two cents-
there is sadness and depression. Sadness, such as being sad after a death or that you are still single is one thing. Depression is a total different ball game!! Sure, marige can cure sadness, but depression? Nope! If someone is REALLY depressed, then marriage WONT CURE THEM!!! Maybe it will help temporarily, but wont cure.
Dr. Price, if you thought marriage could sometimes help depression you would be a psychiatric shadchan, at least in your free time. Frankly, I think you were maybe sad, not depressed so marrige cured everything..... I dont think that would work with most of us here beucase our depression dosent allow us to feel loved and have any real relationships, including a spousal relationship. Our depression is our best friend, alwasy there with us, never leaving us for a second, alwyas talking to us and never forgeting to take out the garbage. So it will natruly win over a spouse. Sure we hate it, but it is still our best friend... we arent capable of polygmy today. We can love only one spouse. So until we divorce our depression there can be no true realtionship

disclaimer - I have never been married and i dont know any details and tend do be argumenttitive just to feel alive, but its my opinion, despite the fact that its most probably wrong.
So I ask mechila Dr. Price.
 
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it depends what the source of your depression is, for example my main cause of depression is intense loneliness and feeling disconnected.


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so you think that once you get married life will magicaly get better>
 
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Marriage is not the solution to working on oneself. Neither is it necessarily going to make life's problems go away. The key is that marriage will change what is.......

I agree that there is a fundamental difference between sadness and depression - I don't think that is the point -

Perhaps (not trying to be pedantic) it is that when a person gets married - they themselves become a different person. Similar to the fact that Hashem doesn't change His mind when we pray - we change and thus any decree that was - was against the person we were, not who we are after our connection to Him in prayer...... We are created to find our completion in another...... at the very basic spiritual level - thus the yearning for a soul mate...... So marriage changes us

That does not mean that past experiences or even personality traits fundamentally change with marriage (and can be problematic) - but perspective and spirituality does change(sometimes for better, sometimes for worse.....) - and with that change comes a chemical changes in hormonal activity and in the mind which can definitely effect depression.

Also - any attachment specialist will tell you that the firing in the brain is also changed with the addition of a secure attachment - also having a profound impact on the ability of a person to come out of depression. That would be my understanding at least.....

Sorry to step in - but this is something I have been pondering.... does it make sense?


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thats why rabbi daniel schonbuch says, tbear, hes very into secure attachment.
channa, i never said life will magically get better. just that imyh being in a close relationship with someone who chooses to be with me over everyone else, will help ease my loneliness which is the cause of my depression. i am only talking about myself channa, each individual situation is different.
im wondering why you are so opposed to the idea- from what youve wrote i got the feeling you have loving parents that i assumed have a good marriage-but maybe i am wrong.


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