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his8sm
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Last week i started a threat about blood tests and you suggested Vitamins you routinely test- I had some done and I am seen as having low VITAMIN D and have high calcium which may indicate a Parathyroid disorder which needs testing in 6 weeks. I have been prescribed vitamin d for 10 days.

my question is does the profession spend enough time looking thoroughly at vitamins and hormones- i can see by testing you take this seriously but professionals i have visited do not and as the brain is part of the body, surely it doesnt take an expert to question if mental health issues have been caused by nutritional and physical issues- its frustrating how as the patient i have to do the work and research


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Nowadays, unfortunately you have to be your own advocate for high quality health care. Let me know how you make out.

Rabbi Price, M.D.
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His8sm, you may also be interested to know that other than a parathyroid disorder, hypercalcemia can also indicate or mask a magnesium deficiency, even if it didn't show up in blood tests.

If I remember correctly, it's because blood tests only measure magnesium levels in the blood instead of intracellular levels, which are a more accurate indicator.

A magnesium deficiency is known to cause anxiety, depression, headaches, insecurity, irritability, and restlessness. Also, if you have frequent constipation, that could be another indicator of a deficiency, as magnesium is also a muscle relaxant.

Kesiva V'chasima Tova, and Hatzlacha on your health quest.


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thanks, ive taken magnesium supplements before but i dont know as much about it
i am takin 18g inositol and i find it quite good right now plus the doctor has given me vitamin D
 
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Happy to hear you're doing well. May it only get better.
 
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I've taken magnesium before but not seriously

I've heard about it before but how do you tell if your deficient then. My doctor did test me and didn't mention it but u say it doesn't show up.
Has anyone here been to an endocrinologist for mental health problems mine have been accompanied by dental and knee issues together with IBS and asthma I am thinking I want to see one
 
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I was very depressed last October-January. No antidepressant worked. I got pretty sick (physically) and took myself to the ER. I received hydrocortisone through IV and my depression somehow disappeared. It had to do with adrenal suppression.

The thing is, it is not so cut and dry. Even with a disorder that causes mental problems, it's like the question of the chicken or the egg which came first, the mental problem or the disorder. Even if your magnesium is extremely extremely low it can be hard to pinpoint that this is the exact cause of your depression/whatever else you have.

For me, I had an "atypical" set of symptoms which prompted doctors to do a lot of weird tests on me, but nothing came up and my symptoms do not match any known mental disorder, so technically I have nothing!

Anyways- Good luck.
 
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Mimi has a good point.

I'm no expert, but your OCD is probably the result of a complex interplay of environmental (stress, triggers), physiological (imbalances, deficiencies etc.), and mental/emotional (distorted thinking, etc.) factors.

I've seen an endocrinologist for mental health and other issues in the past. Not very enlightening, though. You mentioned hypercalcemia. I've had that in the past, and it was related to borderline hypothyroidism, hormonal imbalance, and mineral imbalances and deficiencies (due to an eating disorder). You obviously need to rule out anything more serious, but it may also be related to excess vitamin D or calcium; magnesium and/or other minerals deficiencies; stress; or being overly acidic.

If you get twitches often, have muscle cramps, sleep disturbances, irritability, sensitivity to noise, or constipation, you are likely magnesium deficient. There is a lot of information available on this topic. Following is a link to an article that you might find useful:
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/magnesium-deficiency-symptoms-and-diagnosis

Correcting deficiencies and imbalances can get quite tricky. Taking too much of one mineral or vitamin, may imbalance or deplete another. The body is a highly intricate system and everything is interrelated. It's always best to consult an expert.

Hope that was helpful. Good luck.
 
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I forgot to mention that digestion issues can also cause mental symptoms, as well as many deficiencies.
 
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Very correct
For example I was worse on rosh hashanah because I didn't eat till 11am so blood sugar felt weird
I didnt take my inositol supplement for three days and because of stress

It does seem v chicken and egg because I've taken anti depressants for years so it can surely affect the body
I guess I am hoping its hyperparathyroid as if u look at that site it can really affect a person
 
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I've read the article do you take magnesium I think it's something I will try in the future
It's really annoying I find that all the people in these articles are so sure their theory is correct
I have seen v similar theories on fish oil b complex vitamin d etc not saying all are right or wrong but would be great for conventional medicine to embrace these things
 
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You're right, it does get really confusing when you read about all those conflicting theories - each promising to be THE answer to all your ills. I think it's mostly trial and error. Many doctors are starting to embrace these theories and it'll probably become more widespread over the years. You mentioned in one of your posts that you live in England. Everything is more behind over there, but it'll catch up eventually as well. You might want to see a holistic practitioner. There are plenty of them around over there.

I used to take magnesium and it did help me feel more relaxed, but I was never sure how much to take and it imbalanced me in other ways. I used to take dozens of supplements and played around with combinations all the time. It was both nerve-racking and expensive. Now I'm just trying to eat mineral rich foods such as whole grains, beans, seaweed, etc. and am also working on improving digestion. I also take inositol.

About the chicken or egg theory - you also mentioned something about IBS. Not to confuse you even more, but it may have been caused by stress/anxiety, or it may very well be at the root of anxiety/depression. Hard to know which came first. It's a vicious cycle. You may also have some hidden food allergies/intolerances which are contributing to your mental health issues. It's too complicated to explain here and I won't bore you with the details. You can always google it if you want further information.
 
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hi
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without claiming to be an expert, ive read every book, been almost onto every theory, and yet when i come back to it, it started with me not feeling right, i was on vacation in USA the year before 9/11 and touring and it was incredible, yet i felt horrid, not depressed but very very strange, thoughts bombarding me, of nothing really, feeling scared without being anxious, and specifically recall being on top of the world trade center a year before 9/11 and feeling horrible...and from there it morfed into OCD but im thinking OCD is really part of my nature, its those moods which get called depression or ocd in the sense i get bombarded and cant think straight...it makes me feel its physical as i can only think of subconscious stuff bothering me psychologically, but from that moment 13 years ago, ive not been 100%,ive been at times 80 % even 90% and as low as say 50% but never who i was....it shows to me its an illness, and i do believe in the holistic approach but again being frum etc, all the food etc its so hard to be disciplined...dr price said the best comment..u need to be your own advocate for good quality healthcare and i believe that, to the point people think i am being a hypochondriac, its not that, i always want to think of a solution, it keeps me going really
over yom tov i had awful fatigue, ok possibly stress induced but ive always had mild asthma, knee pain, IBS, and therefore when my doctor said to me a few weeks ago it could be a parathyroid imbalance it just gave me hope
im always willing to experiment and try new things even new combinations of drugs, i know ur meant to accept ur fate but i dont believe u should accept it without believing u can improve
 
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13 Years is an awful long time to be struggling. I also believe that it's okay to try to improve your fate and can really relate to how it keeps you going.

I agree about the being frum part and all that food. Being disciplined is really, really hard. After all these years, it's still a huge struggle for me, especially on Shabbos and Yom Tov.

How long does it take to get your results back?
 
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Well, its a chronic condition if it is just OCD, and dont get me wrong , ive missed maybe only a day of work in that time, and its not been 24/7 in 13 years and it hasnt stopped me having a family,job etc but ofcourse u wonder how much better life could be for sure if u could change it, but i guess u must play the cards hashem gives u

At this stage, i went to the doctor few weeks ago and said specialists recommend some tests on vitamins, doctor was ok with it, i went to hospital had magnesium, b12, calcium,VITAMIN D, full blood count, and he called me and said well Vitamin D was a bit low, so gave me Vit D to take, i took it last 10 days felt ok i guess, not a cure, he also said calcium was a little high and wants to retest me in 6 weeks, im seeing him that day and now im armed with knowledge of parathyroid disease i can talk at his level with him

IF u read about the parathroid stuff its "stones bones and moans" or something and ofcourse it lists every symptom under the sun which we all have had surely, but it does say high calcium is never normal, v interesting stuff and i did identify with alot of it- i get terrible allergies in summer, i had a kidney stone once, i am often tired, always was in bed early and always had white in nails which means zinc deficiency i think- as my doctor says one step at a time, so first i get through yom tov and take my inositol which i like, i eat alot of fruit and drink alot of water and i hopefully do ok
whats ur major thing-ocd as well?
 
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The 'stones, bones and moans' cracked me up. I have read about parathyroid disease. I actually had a friend who had severe anxiety and panic related to a parathyroid disorder and ended up having her parathyroid gland removed.

White spots on the nails is often related to excess sugar consumption and/or mineral depletion including zinc. Just curious: is your IBS okay with the fruit?

OCD was my major thing in the past. I also had an eating disorder which was another form of OCD. Now, it still crops up, but I mostly know how to deal with it. My major thing now is probably a mood disorder, with the accompanying anxiety, depression, sleep disturbances, and irritability. For me, it did stop me from having a normal life. I couldn't hold down a job and barely coped with my husband and kids.
 
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Im sorry to hear that, are you more settled now?
I reckon people with mental health issues probably have a more sensitive physical disposition and when it gets out of kilter it can result in these issues more pronounced
ofcourse i am probably not a care free person either which makes me more susceptible but i now recon what tipped me over was some physical disturbance and no amount of therapy can correct that- i am less obsessive this week than last and its nothing to do with therapy really
 
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Thanks. I'm more settled now b"H.

I'm completely with you on that one. Ultimately, I was also tipped over by physical disturbances. On the other hand, for many, a sensitive constitution isn't the only underlying cause. Environmental triggers can also be quite powerful.

I think we need to move over this discussion to a different forum. Probably doesn't belong here.
 
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OK, well if u start it somewhere else i can follow i guess
 
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I started a new thread in the OCD section.
 
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