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toomuch?
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I'm not sure if I'm considered addicted, per say, but I believe that I have a problem.
I'm underage, and the circles I run in don't usually serve too much alcohol... but when it's there, I want it so badly.
And I don't want it because I neccessarilly love the taste (which I do enjoy, but that's just a fringe benefit), but because I want to forget.
I have never gotten drunk nor high, but I like one or two drinks (strong alcohol only!) to make me a bit happy and forget the tzaros in my life.
The only time I ever possesed alcohol was when I went on a trip to Europe and my friends dared me to bring liquer back to the USA, and I did. I brought back a bottle of chocolate liquer and whenever I was having a rough day, my roomate and I would mix the chocolate with some warm milk and make ourselves a special drink. But now the bottle is finished and so I don't have anything present.
So do I need to do something? I mean it's not like I crave it or anything, but I don't know...
 
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I admire your courage for coming forth, most people in your situation are in denial. Whilst i don't think you have a problem, you do have to find another outlet . Alchohol will not solve whatever problems you are facing in life and won't take away from your tzoros, in fact ultimately it will add to them. What you need is someone to talk to! If you don't have anyone with whom you feel comfortable enough discussing your issues, then you should use this site. there are alot of wonderful people out there who can offer advice or perhaps simply a different perspective.
 
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It couragous for you too ask that. Why don't you make an apointment with an adiction specialist to check? Call Releif for a referral.
 
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Listen, I had the same problem once and like you I asked myself the same questions, thank G-d. I think you are on the right track. Kol hakavod !!!
 
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toomuch?
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What did you do to get yourself back to "normal"?
 
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I projected all the bad things that would happen as a result of this. Loss of friends and family, loss of respect, financial troubles, and all kinds of troubles. It just wasn't worth it !
 
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Do you enjoy a lechaim after Shachris?
 
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I don't drink that often...or maybe I do..I'm not sure. Is 2 or 3 times a week, a lot? but when I do, I can probably drink, say, 6 or 7 shots of vodka, or other alcoholic drinks equal to that. hmm, I think it's usually when I become impulsive I tend to drink more. I have Bipolar tendencies along with Social Anxiety .
 
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Well, I sure don't drink 6 or 7 shots of vodka! Just like one cocktail every once in a while... It's just the feeling I get from it and the reason I drink it that worries me.
 
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There are biochemical differences among us that make some of us enjoy alcohol more than others. For example, some of us have a liver enzyme (II ADH) that results in production of endorphin like substances from alcohol. Sounds like you have that type of profile. That means you require extra care of avoiding alcohol since you have a higher risk of addiction.

Careful now, you probably don't suffer hangovers the way others do and this makes it even easier to slowly start seeking relief from alcohol. And the emotional issues you mention increase the likelyhood you will seek escape routes.

I am a big advocate of nutritional supplements to address emotional issues such as anxiety and depression. The most comprehensive place I have found thus far that explains the how chemicals affect the brain and how to achieve emotional health via nutrition is healthrecovery.com. I only wish I had known of these things earlier on in my life!
 
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Wow! That's pretty scary!
But that stuff about the nutrition sounds interesting... Think I'm going to check out that site!


Edited: 2/18/05 at 5:35 AM by lookinforhelp
 
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If one needs alcohol to manage your day- its an addiction. One or two drinks can snowball. My husband started out with light drinking, but at one point I quess he felt he needed it more, and quickly fell to high drinking and marrihaunna use. We had a terrible 4 years; now he is (in the meantime) staying off the stuff. But he paid a VERY high price for that addiction.


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As a therapist who specializes in addiction treatment, I'd like to share a thought. If you are unsure if you, your spouse, or other loved one has a problem, this is reason enough to seek out a competent professional for a consultation/assessment. I always say: if you ask your loved one about his/her behavior, and you are still left with more questions than answers, THAT is reason enough to seek some further help. Living with an addiction can be seductive, and ordinarily healthy people can easily get swept into its insanity.
 
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dear toomuch,
you sound like a friend of mine. he also said that hed only ever have one or two shots...and then not too long ago he had a little bit more than that and realized how much fun it is to be DRUNK. so now, he's getting drunk all the time because he loves it so much. so, if it bothers you, the thought of loving alcohol too much, you should be really careful, because, like alot of drugs, alcohol is really easy to be pulled into. and once you're in its not fun getting out. so be caaaaaaaareful and brace yourself against it!!!!!!!!!! i wish you much strength!!!!!!
 
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i am 20 years old and i know i have a problem. i dont like to say im an alcoholic cuz i know some1 who is and i hate him bc of it. it turned him into a really obnoxious jerk and i dont see myself as some1 like that. but i drink like ok for example in the last 2 weeks meaning 14 days i was either drunk or passed out from being drunk literaly 12 out of the 14 days. i only sobered up this weekend cuz i have a meeting. i think that i have my drinking undercontrol meaning when i dont want to drink i wont, but then like so for example today i woke up and i feel really sick. i have been throwing up all morning and dizzy and light headed, and i know thats a hangover but i dont know what to do except drink some more wich is my plan for this afternoon. i am dependant on it bc i dont like to be hungover so i drink some more. last friday night i ended up have to be rushed to the hospital by ambulance and my alcohol level was 1.9 bac. my dr told me im lucky to be alive, but i dont see it like that, i see it as yay another chance to get drunk again!!! yay go me!!!! i am moving to ny in a week and a half, thinking that there will be more resources there, but im so scared. what if i cant keep a job, what if no1 like me, its such a wierd concept, and every time i think about it, i end up drinking!!! ive gone to AA before when i was in seminary and i loved it, but here in america i hate it. i think i need like to live with a cop or something, some1 who wont let me drink and will literaly like sit on me if i try, and will be there for me to talk me thru it. but im so scared ill never find that and im asking to much of a roomate. well i havta go i have an interview wish me luck!!!! and then i get to drink yayayyyy im so excited


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awww sounds like you really need some help. if you're moving far away by yourself i really dont think that's such a good idea for you right now. you really need someone with you to help you be strong. you dont want to say you're an alcoholic because you don't want to deal with your problem. alcohol and drugs are really serious, as i'm sure you know. do you even care about living? or could you care less if you'd die 2morow?
 
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i believe that everything happens for a reason, we only live life once that we should live it to the fullesT! i also believe that everything happens for a reason, and gd has a plan for each and every1 of us. if i were to die tomorow it would bc thats what hashem had in mind for me. i understand that my life is in his hands (metaphoricly). now with that being said, i also understand free choice, that as a jew we are given bechira. but the way i understand it, is that ok heres a mashal i am at a traffic light and i am going thru its green and a car runs the red and hits me, and while thats happening hashem is standing on top of the lights and sees it all happening. he knows its going to happen but he cant stop it, the driver running the light might stop and might not.... so now to me and my drinking, i do care about living, at a point in my life i was a hppy normal person and i loved to go out and do things and just be myself. now thats not me, i like to drink, and i like who i am when i am drunk. i cant deal with life so really i wouldnt care if i died tomorow, but at the same time i do want to live. i know that running away probaly wont help and also being so far away..... but i have friends there, and i am hoping that unlike the community i am in now there will be help for a young orthodox jewish woman who happens to be an alcoholic. and u r right i dont like to say i am an alcoholic cuz that means i have to except that i have a problem and most of the time i dont think i do.


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RoNbOnBoO13, what you are experiencing is biochemically based. You can feel good without the alcohol if you help balance your biochemistry. I highly recommend the book Potatoes not Prozac and the website www.radiantrecovery.com The root of alcohol addiction is sugar addiction (alcohol IS a sugar) and if you fix that, then you will be feeling better than you could ever imagine feeling. Hatzlacha to you!


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i understand what u r saying but i disagree. when i left missouri about 15 days ago i was trashed, i mean like on the verge of passing out and that was cuz i had been drinking for like 25 days straight, no exaggerating here. then i couldnt drink on the greyhound cuz id get kicked off, but as soon as i got to ny i started drinking again. then when i got to my friends house i sobered up cuz i didnt want to disrespect her but like on shabbat when they served wine with out realizeing it id be the 1 drinking the whole bottle, or like at her wedding i probaly drank on my own like 3 bottles of wine. and then last night at the sheva brachot i drank some more!!! when i dont drink, i get sick, like for example i was throwng up on the buss the whole ride, and it was 24 hours long. then now that ive sorta sobered up i get migraines all the time, and i randomly throw up...... last night i drank 8 cans of beer and i didnt feel an affect at all but now today im throwing up. if i wasnt addicted to it, i would be going thru this crazy withdrawl!!!!!


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wow, you have such an intense life! it sounds very exciting but i have to say, im curious do you ever get tired of living so on "the edge"? it doesnt sound very comfortable or enjoyable at all.then again, we all have our own tayvos...
soz for the mussar, but im bursting to ask how you are an "orthodox" frum girl who "happens" to be an "alcoholic". it sounds hashkafically oxymoronic.(if either of those 2 words are words) bsayder there is a problem,but to the extent that you sound like youre drinking, i dont think frum is even possible practically (ie:krias shema) let alone that the purpose of the mitzvos are meant to chisel out a more refined version of you...


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ok 2 start of with lets define a frum person: some1 who is religious, and it doesnt matter what religion, example a reverend is a frum christian. so now lets get to me. i consider myself frum because i keep shabbat and kosher and daven at least once a day. now as far as davening goes, no i dont sit and say brachot and shema and shmone esrei i talk to G-d about what ever i want. now having all this been said, this past monday i came back from rehab. i went to a 28 day program in upstate new york. now only a "frum" person would request kosher food, and i mean that because i was eating frozen tv dinners all month. imagine airplane food but worse!!! then on shabbat while every1 was watching movies and reading books and playing cards.... i was in my room reading that weeks parsha and learning all the commentaries on it. the thing tho thats hard for me to get is that i believe in G-d meaning Hashem otherwise i wouldnt be keeping the mitzvot that i do keep, but that G-d i dont believe in, meaning like when i was going thru my active addiction were was he? now when like im going thru the 12 steps its hard for me to relate to him. i know he exsists but like i cant sit here and say i am powerless over alcohol... and that i turn myself over to a power greater than myself.... thats not hashem its something else. im not sure about it thats why im still on step 1 heading to step 2..... well i hope yall have a great shabbat i have to go back to my homemade chicken soup that ive been dying for for the last month!!!!!!!!!


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