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Yaakov
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Does anyone have any suggested medicinces for migraine pain? The new "triptans" cause me chest pain.
MSG seems to be a trigger for my migraines and it seems to be an ingredient in a lot of ready made kosher foods. Thanks.
 
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Are you seeing a neurologist that is specializing in headaches or are you just being treated by your primary physician? The reason I am asking this is because headaches, if not properly diagnosed, could be written off as migranes when there may be a more serious underlying problem. For your information, there is a class of meds that are not "triptans" and will not have these side effects.
Please be advised, that the chest pains caused by triptans are non cardiogenic (meaning, that triptans have no effect on the cardiac function.) and the tightness, should usually subside within a half hour.

Tip: Try caffiene to stop the migrane
 
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Thanks for the advice. I have seen several neurologists and had two MRIs to rule out other problems.
I use phrenilin for most headaches (it's butabital and tylenol), but that only serves as a partial cover up.
The triptans (I have tried three different ones) give me a pain in the chest and make me very anxious. What else is there besides the triptans and butabital based drugs?

I was also told to try a beta blocker, but my blood pressure is on the low side and I do not like the idea of taking a drug every day.
 
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Yaakov,

I get terrible terrible migraines, I am on other meds for other conditions and don't want to take med for this, so I try to eat healthy and drink loads and loads of water. I think that drinking the water - room temp - is what helps. On shabbos I barely drank water and Monday I woke up with this terrible headache. Migraines come from many things, stress and diet and other factors, go on google and check out migraine prevention.
Hatzlacha Rabba.
It's a really difficult thing to deal with. I have missed so many days of work cuz of them, i totally can't function when i get one and I look like I'm gonna die, it's horrible.
I have to start doing excersize also, being healthy can help.
Do u have any other conditions or stuff going on in your life that may be contributing to the migraines?
there are many healthy alternatives- reflexology, hipnosis, meditation, yoga, eating healthy, no caffeine and other stuff and feeling good and healthy and.. no stress!!
There are other new stuff now too that I hear about on the news but don't bother checking out cuz I'm just sick of everything now.

Speak to ya,
Ray
 
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many foods can trigger a migraine (as well as some other headaches). anything that will cause blood vessel dilation can bring on a migraine. some ex.s are hard cheeses, wine, sulfites, MSG, canned fish (there's histamine in them), certain vegetables (such as pepper, eggplant, peas, beans)etc.

can also consider an alternative-type medicine, called migzelief (sp??) which has no medicine in it, but rather has magnesium and other muscle relaxants in it, for those whose migraines may be caused by tight muscles. for those who do have such heaadaches (and it's theorized that many migraines are caused by this) then there are botox injections as well to consider, with a dr experienced in them.
 
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ChanieF,

Thanks for the advice, I will checkit out. I didn't know that eggplant can trigger it, I have been eating eggplant lately and getting headaches.

Hope all is well with you,
Ray
 
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For me, I have identified chocolate, msg and asparteme as triggers. The hardest to avoid is msg. It is often identified in food as "spices". I often run into problems with pre-packaged kugel/side dishes from the local deli because they use soup mixes that contain msg.
 
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I used to get frequent migraines. I now take Neurontin on a daily basis which is an anti-convulsant which is also used for pain control. I B'H rarely get any more migraines. Please ask about it. Also I have no side effects from it.
 
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Larry King just had a show on last night about Migraines. He interviewed Dr. Diamond of the Diamond Headache Clinic, and he talked about the use of anti-convulsants for Migraines.
These can be prescribed by a Neurologist or Psychiatrist who deals with pain control.
 
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I get headches from Cartoons, loud music, and when its about to rain, or when the weather starts changing u can garentee i will be the first one to know about it. they r so painful i feel so dizzy that i just have to lie down. If i get them at work then its a big problem, as i don't want to go home, so i am like a zombi till i go home mostly by the nx morning its beta. i find that all the over the counter drugs do very little to help.
good luck to all of u out there and may they go and neva come back!
 
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Sometimes,if you can catch it at the first SLIGHTEST hint (even before an aura, if you get one) taking LIQUI-GELS (ibuprofin) and LOTS of water, can help stop it.

Often other headaches can be misdiagnosed as migraines (even chronic sinusitis.)

Besides for the triptans and ergotamines (such as DHE)
your drug choiced would probably be--
*Antiseizure drugs such as Topamax and Depakote, used to treat epilepsy
*Beta-blockers such as Inderal, used to treat high blood pressure and abnormal heart rate
*Calcium channel blockers such as Cardizem, also prescribed for high blood pressure and abnormal heart rhythms (arrhythmias)
*Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), over-the-counter painkillers such as Aleve and Anaprox
*Tricyclic antidepressants such as Elavil and Norpramin

realize though that each one has its own POSSIBLE side-effects.

Botox injections have been found to help in patients who get frequent migraines.

Have you ever read through the patient pamphlet that comes along with your migraine meds?
I remember reading up on a new migraine med and when I finished reading all the (POSSIBLE) side effects I remmber saying to myself--"what do I need all THAT for? I'll keep my migraine, thank-you!"

biofeedback can be a tremendously useful tool.

Supplements such as magnesium (be careful of diarrhea-and which must be taken for about 4 months until relief sets in) some B vitamins , Coenzyme Q10 and even the herb Feverfew can each be beneficial.

Also, find yourself a doctor who is willing to listen and who keeps up with new research!

above all else, really, daven!


Edited: 2/27/06 at 6:26 PM by eema2four
 
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Thanks, that is all good advice, although it's hard to daven during th emigraine

You are right about the side effects. That is why I have avoided the Beta blockers and other meds you need to take daily. The side effects for the triptans are pretty serious too.

One time several years ago I had a very serious migraine that required me to go to the emergency room. They gave me an anti convulsent by IV and I was better in 30 minutes. However, over the next 48 hours I had a reaction where my heart was racing and I felt incredibly anxious. As bad as the migraine was, the cure was worse.

Ibuprofen and the NSAIDS bother my stomach now. And, years ago I would get rebound headaches from too using the ibuprofen. That is a side effect that is not well advertised.

I have found that Aleve works if taken as soon as the first symptom starts. I have also reduced the number of migraines substantially by cutting out all nutrasweet, msg and chocolate. I think the only triggers left are stress and lack of sleep....

What do you mean by biofeedback as it relates to migraine? That was one new remedy that I saw in your note.

Thanks. Kol tov,

Yaakov
 
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note-if NSAIDs bother your stomach, you can try taking them with antacids/or prescribed ones like nexium.
also, being aware of triggers can really help (in addition to the ones i listed previously, a new one may be splenda.)
also, if NSAIDs do help you, then you'd probably benefit greatly from botox b/c it fully relaxes the muscles, and not just temporarily like an NSAID.
did you ever have a head injury yrs ago after which you began having the migraines??-just asking b/c not everyone with migraines responds to NSAIDs and if you do it seems to point towards an inflammatory factor.
the best results which will hopefully not require botox on an ongoing basis (usually patients can go 3 months between injections. often after a few treatments they don't need it anymore at all. however, studies are going on now at the mayo clinic, among other places->) will probably be combining botox with craniosacral and similar techniques, such as biofeedback. this way once the muscles are fully relxed from the botox,the patient can keep it relaxed by utilizing the other methods. this is what they've found already using botox for other conditions.
 
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Hi
Wanted to get some advice about migraines.
I get a migrain about once a month, for egzample i got a terrible migrain just the other day early in the morning while i was asleep , It woke me up , Usually i get the migrain in the same spot on the same side of my head . I get a terrible sharp pain that feels like someon is bashing a hammer on my head it pulpitates like my heart beat.
sometimes it leads to a day of panic attackes after that,
Does anyone think that going to a nuroligist would help , i try to take some medicaition like tylenol or other pain medicines wich may or may not help .
could it also be from elergy to certain foods that would give me such a strong migrain. or from stress.
Will apprieciate some advice
thanks


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Susan,
I highly recommend you see a neurologist. I describe my migraine as if someone is driving a railroad spike into my right temple. When this first started I tried ibuprofen. I ended up later getting rebound headaches from those medicines. I still get migraines, but at least the prescription medicine I take does not make things much worse.

I believe that I get some migraines from reactions to msg, asparteme or chocolate, although I can't prove that except by self-observation. I'm sure stress does not help either.
 
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if the headache always stays on the same side of the head then you DEFINITELY should see a good neurologist; although migraines affect one side of the head at atime, they switch sides. if it's always on the same side then there's something else going on that's causing this.
 
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You should ask a neurologist. I always have the migraine in the same location (although sometimes I also have problems with light, etc too). I have seen several neurologists and have had two extensive MRIs and they have all confirmed that the only problem is the migraine.
 
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I have been having migraines for 19 years now. The only medication that had worked for ages was Midrin, but it took a long time for it to take effect.

I tried Imitrex when it first went on the market and I felt like I was climbing the walls, so I went back to Midrin.

A year or two ago my doctor had me try Midrin and it worked wonderfully. But I took it once the migraines started.

Three months ago, I removed all the txic chemicals from my home and I am not only using all natural prodst and I haven't had a migraine since, Baruch Hashem.

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I always hear "Oh ya, my friend gets migraines, i get it once in a while..." but I always think, "Oh, for sure, if you think you get migraines, nobody has it as bad as ME"! But what some of you have been describing, sounds like me! Everyone that knows me for a pretty long time knows I get migraines, its so life stopping! However, as I once heard someone say about being in a bus bomb, I feel the same way "If not for these crazy migrainr attacks, I wouldn't have the same connection with Hashem ,and I wouldn't be the same person." It really makes you think: there is no doctor and no individual that controld the world... you can plan and make the grandest plans, but Hashem can make the migraine strike, and "poof" your in bed howling in pain and vomiting instead. (I always pray that on my wedding day I'll IYH be migraine free! On my sister's wedding day I wasn't so lucky) Anyway for me, I found that Imitrex injections work well if you sleep right afterwards for like an hour.... And I've tried an allergy testing diet before, but not so strict, and now I'm on it again (It's my third week) very stricly, I'm off preservatives, wheat, eggs, and eggplant (I definately saw a connection with that and my migraines) and a minimum of dairy products... Did anyone ever try acupunture or chiropractic for migraines? my mom wants me to try that...
 
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What do you mean it's hard to daven during a migrain? that's the best time to daven! I'm not saying from a siddur or anything, because at the time, we can't always be sure we're not tumay, but it says that Hashem's shchinah resides over a sick person's bed, between the tears of a migraine is the best time to beg Hashem with your whole heart for ANYTHING... And another benefit of migraines-they make us victims so much more compassionate to people sick or in pain, and now I know how to help patients, because I know what I feel I need when I'm in that circumstance... tissues, drinks, someone to clean up around and freshen up... To sit with me and listen to my moans....
 
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I had tried a chiropractor, as well as, accupressure. Neither worked for me, but I am not saying that you shouldn't try it.

I did remove all the toxic chemicals from my home in May of this year and I have not had a migraine since. If you want to try that, send me a PM and I can help you with it.


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how do you remove toxic chemicals? with the mold specialists? But i went away this year and I had migraines where i boarded too... although in my boarding house, it's very possible there was mold there...
 
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I had been keeping a diary of what I ate, the weather, sleep patterns, etc. for years and could not figure out what was triggering my migraines. I could not afford a specialist to come into my home. So I did the reseach myself. I was shocked to find out that there are toxins & carcinogens in nearly all common household cleansers. I then found an affordable option to replace them with. I am happy to say that I am migraine free for 6 months. I haven't been able to say that for over 20 years. I don't know if what worked for me will work for you, but I would be happy to share my research with you. I will send you my e-mail address is a private message.


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interesting! i guess I can try it! but my mom thinks I'm nuts for jeapordizing her shopping for food already.... Pleas send me your research stuff....
 
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BEWARE "msg free" stuff also have hidden msg ingrediants... an list what there hidden in if you pm me... I dont the list handy now....
 
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I have found the same regarding msg. I substantially reduced the number of migraines by cutting out msg, asparteme and chocolate. The challenge is that msg (called "spice" or "natural flavorings" on the label) is included in many packaged kosher foods.
 
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I used to get frequent migraines. I take a med. called Neurontin every day as a preventive. IT WORKS!!!!!
Haven't had a migraine B"H in a few years.
You should all ask your docs. about it.

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It is important to see a neurologist who specializes in headaches/migraines. There are many options (meds or non-med) for helping to become headache free. There are meds that are prophylactic (preventative) or rescue meds for during an attack. I noticed that a few ppl mentioned Neurontin which helps many ppl. Personally I have found huge relief from nortriptyline (Pamelor). After finding the correct dose, I no longer needed my rescue med (Maxalt worked for me, but there are many others) and after some time, I even decreased my dose. In addition, nerve block injections helped to break a chronic migraine that I had for 4wks. If anyone is interested there is a world renowned Headache Center at Thomas Jefferson U. Hospital in Philadelphia (only ~2hrs from NY - ppl fly in from all over the country. There is an amazing migraine specialist there named Dr. William Young who has treated many members of my family. I have also actually met a number of other frum ppl from NJ in the waiting rm I hope that everyone finds the help/shaliach that they need for a refuah sheleima! Don't give up hope - Hashem is always with us! I know someone who had such severe migraines that she was hospitalized numerous times for treatment and is now Baruch Hashem almost headache free!!! Keep Davening!
 
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